shox/spartans III

[shockball]

I believe that is only two. This one and KState.

[tru2thaduce]

Harbutz needs to not play so much.

He constantly goes 2 strikes deep before ever lifting the bat. then complains about it. f-ing swing like you actually want to hit or get the f*** off the field. I sware! He has been doing this for about two months now.

I agree.Always complaining about strikes,and I mean always.I don't think this guy has ever taken a pitch that was a strike.

[kstarheel]

From a quick glance, WSU has lost 7 games in which they were tied or leading after 6 innings. 6 of those 7th or later.

FGC: lost 2-1 lead in 7th, lost in 9th
LBS: lost 4-3 lead in 8th
KSU: tied 3-3, lost lead in 7th, lost 8-3
SIU: lost lead in 6th
IndS: lost 4-3 lead in 7th
KSU: lost 3-2 lead in 8th
SJS: lost 3-2 lead in 8th

[shock10]

15

[shox1989]

This was a very disappointing series. We really needed to sweep these guys. We really should have swept them.

It's time to put this weekend behind us and move on. We have 5 big games coming up this week.

This team has a lot of potential and with the bullpen getting better, we have a chance to finish really strong.

It would be nice to start a nice long winning streak on Tuesday.

[shocker22]

Today's loss goes on the coaching staff. Poor choices of pinch hitters and defensive replacements. First and foremost, Harbutz should have been pinch hit for in late innings with men on base. Second, Springer or Mckeever should have been inserted into the game at 1b for defense. Coy has been hitting well but first is his third position. If Springer had been insereted in the seventh when we had the one run lead he would have dug the two throws that got away from Coy. Gene seems to continue to make the wrong choices on who to play and where. We gave the Spartans this game by lack of execution both offesively and defensively.

[SB Shock]

Very disappointing. The bullpen continued to be quite good and deserved better.

This loss will be an RPI slayer.

There is no such thing as a rpi slayer loss. This loss counts the same in the rpi calculation as their loss against ksu and their coming loss against ku this week.

[GoShockers89]

In the grand scheme, yes, each loss counts the same. Just as the basketball loss to Evansville counted the same as the loss to Northern Iowa.

However, the immediate impact of losing to 200+ RPI team will have a much larger negative effect than losing to a top 50 RPI team. You expect to win the games against weak opponents, and subpar performances against them leave a magnified crater upon the expected end result.

[ShockerFever]

This loss will be an RPI slayer.

RPI hasn't meant a thing for at least a month and a half and will be meaningless the rest of the year.

It all comes down to the last weekend in May in Wichita with the winner of that bloodbath getting an envious 4 seed in the NCAA's.



This weekend did absolutely nothing. People praised the bullpen against a 200 RPI team. That's like praising the bullpen for Bethany. What about the shitty starting pitching? The lack of runs against garbage pitching? The constant errors.

This team is in the dumps.

We'll be lucky to hold onto a top 4 seed for the Valley Tournament.

[shox1989]

This loss will be an RPI slayer.

RPI hasn't meant a thing for at least a month and a half and will be meaningless the rest of the year.

It all comes down to the last weekend in May in Wichita with the winner of that bloodbath getting an envious 4 seed in the NCAA's.



This weekend did absolutely nothing. People praised the bullpen against a 200 RPI team. That's like praising the bullpen for Bethany. What about the #### starting pitching? The lack of runs against garbage pitching? The constant errors.

This team is in the dumps.

We'll be lucky to hold onto a top 4 seed for the Valley Tournament.

According to Warren Nolan, the Shockers had an rpi of 64 this morning (before losing to SJS). If they make a strong run they could improve their rpi enough to be considered for an at large bid. Our rpi is much better than it was at this time last year.

But their time is running out. That run is going to have to be really good now.

[GoShockers89]

This loss will be an RPI slayer.

RPI hasn't meant a thing for at least a month and a half and will be meaningless the rest of the year.

It all comes down to the last weekend in May in Wichita with the winner of that bloodbath getting an envious 4 seed in the NCAA's.



This weekend did absolutely nothing. People praised the bullpen against a 200 RPI team. That's like praising the bullpen for Bethany. What about the #### starting pitching? The lack of runs against garbage pitching? The constant errors.

This team is in the dumps.

We'll be lucky to hold onto a top 4 seed for the Valley Tournament.

According to Warren Nolan, the Shockers had an rpi of 64 this morning (before losing to SJS). If they make a strong run they could improve their rpi enough to be considered for an at large bid. Our rpi is much better than it was at this time last year.

But their time is running out. That run is going to have to be really good now.

A 5-0 week would put us squarely in the discussion. A 4-1 week would allow for some hope.

However, the likelihood of either outcome is not very good at the moment. This is probably our last opportunity to dramatically improve our situation.

[shox1989]

Very disappointing. The bullpen continued to be quite good and deserved better.

This loss will be an RPI slayer.

Losing today did hurt our RPI badly. We were at 64 before the loss, tonight warren nolan has us a 76. A 12 point drop! That is very bad.

By comparison, warren nolan now has K-state at #40 and Ku at #53. The top teams in the Valley (besides WSU) are Evansville at 93, Illinois St. at 110 and Indy State at 118.

WSU is the only Valley team with any hope at getting into an at-large discussion. And our time is running out with each loss. K-state and Ku are really only in bubble territory right now, in spite of some of the hype heard recently (Kstate is being hurt by playing a very weak non-conference schedule).

[SB Shock]

In the grand scheme, yes, each loss counts the same. Just as the basketball loss to Evansville counted the same as the loss to Northern Iowa.

However, the immediate impact of losing to 200+ RPI team will have a much larger negative effect than losing to a top 50 RPI team. You expect to win the games against weak opponents, and subpar performances against them leave a magnified crater upon the expected end result.

How does a loss to an RPI 200 team affect the RPI any more than a loss to RPI 50 team? It doesn't. You could trade out change any home win to a loss and change out this home loss to a win and WSU RPI would be the same.

RPI doesn't weight a loss or win by how or bad a team is. Of course there are other metrics that won't look very good (e.g. record vs 200+ competition) or Boyd ISR (which does account for good wins, bad losses).

But RPI really doesn't matter. WSU only path to the NCAA is win the MVC tournament. Anything else.

[GoShockers89]

Your engineering personality is shining through.

Yes, from an absolute math standpoint, you are correct. Like I said, each loss bears equal weight at the end of the year. No duh.

However, does that make each loss equally harmful from a practical standpoint with regards to the RPI? Of course not. Losses to poor teams are more damaging from the standpoint that recovering from an unexpected defeat to a poor team requires a corresponding win over an equally superior team in order to recover. Tough to make up that ground.

I'll assume that your need to pick a pointless fight and quibble over such minutiae is the result of frustration with this team. Right there with ya.

[SB Shock]

Very disappointing. The bullpen continued to be quite good and deserved better.

This loss will be an RPI slayer.

Losing today did hurt our RPI badly. We were at 64 before the loss, tonight warren nolan has us a 76. A 12 point drop! That is very bad.

WSU rpi dropped because

a. They lost at home (thus they suffer home penalty loss)
b. SOS which is 0.50 of RPI took a hit because they played a 200 RPI team (regardless of win or loss they were going to take a hit).

WSU is the only Valley team with any hope at getting into an at-large discussion. And our time is running out with each loss.

WSU is not in the at-large discussion and never will be. 1st of all WSU is not even winning their conference and that there stops at-large talk. But if you want to did deeper then you see:

WSU has no wins vs top 50, 5-5 vs 100-200 RPI teams.