Don't Look Know But...Shocks vs Sam Houston State

[DUShock]

How long is Coach Butler's contract? Thank you former A.D. Sexton.

This is Sexton's cross to carry but didn't Boatright have a large influence in the hire? I might be wrong but I seem to recall that Boatright was in on it also. Personally, I wish we would go out and hire a proven AD, the next "Great Jim Schaus".

[Dave Stalwart]

I wonder if we pulled the same moved Bradley and Missouri state did. Got rid of Jim Les and Barry Hinson because they weren't keeping up with their success levels of a few years before. Come to find out they were much better than what was to follow.

[DUShock]

I wonder if we pulled the same moved Bradley and Missouri state did. Got rid of Jim Les and Barry Hinson because they weren't keeping up with their success levels of a few years before. Come to find out they were much better than what was to follow.

Not exactly, we cannot forget the off field shenanigans of Gene, that was more damning than the decline on the field, which was bad enough. I am not being puritanical, just keep it on the downlow and don't make it an "open secret" among insiders and boosters. Of course if he had a morals clause in his contract then I say, we should be puritanical.

Edit: but you are correct about the on field performance. I think gene needed to go but the new hire was flubbed.

[1972Shocker]

I have no problem with WSU telling Gene that his time had come but I did not like the way the transition was handled. However, I have no idea if the well between Gene and the athletic administration (and if it was whose fault that was) was so poisoned that they simply would not or could not work out a transition in an amicable fashion that would have let Gene have input into selecting his successor with the administration having the final say. Unfortunately, that did not happen.

The real problem I have at this point is the contract they gave HCTB that would put WSU in an unenviable financial position if he didn't work out and it appears that is the case. I would not have given that contract to anyone until they had proven the could do the job at Wichita State adequately and that includes Kevin Hooper or Mark Standiford.

[1972Shocker]

How long is Coach Butler's contract? Thank you former A.D. Sexton.

I assume the question is rhetorical but just in case it is not he will have 4 years remaining after this season with a buyout in the neighborhood of $1.34 million.

[shockfan89_]

So HCTB will be the WSU baseball coach for AT LEAST 2 more years after this regardless of our record especially if Boatright had a lot of input in hiring him. Nobody is going to admit a $1.34 million failure and keep their job.

I wonder if HCTB will have to make a change at some point and will let Kemnitz go to try and save face? Even if we can't fire HCTB the AD should mandate that he hire Hooper at the end of this season!

[1972Shocker]

So HCTB will be the WSU baseball coach for AT LEAST 2 more years after this regardless of our record especially if Boatright had a lot of input in hiring him. Nobody is going to admit a $1.34 million failure and keep their job.

I wonder if HCTB will have to make a change at some point and will let Kemnitz go to try and save face? Even if we can't fire HCTB the AD should mandate that he hire Hooper at the end of this season!

Most of the head coach contracts I have seen pretty much give autonomy to the head coach in hiring assistants within acceptable parameters. The AD could encourage HCTB to hire Hooper but I don't think they can mandate it. Keeping Kemnitz may or may not have been forced on HCTB up front but I doubt there are any other provisions in his contract that gives the AD that power. That is as it should be. Not giving yourself a backdoor to correct a hiring mistake at a fair and reasonable cost is not acceptable.

[Ricardo del Rio]

I assume the question is rhetorical but just in case it is not he will have 4 years remaining after this season with a buyout in the neighborhood of $1.34 million.

Lord, take me now.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Most of the head coach contracts I have seen pretty much give autonomy to the head coach in hiring assistants within acceptable parameters. The AD could encourage HCTB to hire Hooper but I don't think they can mandate it. Keeping Kemnitz may or may not have been forced on HCTB up front but I doubt there are any other provisions in his contract that gives the AD that power. That is as it should be. Not giving yourself a backdoor to correct a hiring mistake at a fair and reasonable cost is not acceptable.

Hooper is not joining the current death trap. Zero way.

[1972Shocker]

Lord, take me now.

To clarify, that buyout is at the end of this season. It will drop by $340,000 with each passing year. The bottom line is that in order to buyout HCTB WSU owes him the remaining portion of his contract. There is no fixed buyout amount.

[1972Shocker]

Hooper is not joining the current death trap. Zero way.

Agreed. Nor should he.

[AndShock]

I liked the way someone on the Memphis message board said it when talking about Pastner: we are paying the $1.34 million over the next 4 years no matter what happens, whether that be keeping or firing Butler. Do we want to spend an extra $300-400k on top of that each year to save the program? I say yes.

[SHOCKvalue]

So HCTB will be the WSU baseball coach for AT LEAST 2 more years after this regardless of our record especially if Boatright had a lot of input in hiring him. Nobody is going to admit a $1.34 million failure and keep their job.

I wonder if HCTB will have to make a change at some point and will let Kemnitz go to try and save face? Even if we can't fire HCTB the AD should mandate that he hire Hooper at the end of this season!

HCIW for a HC you plan to eventually can. Not sure how well that would work out, but I'm game for anything when it comes to the current state of our baseball program.

[Shockers5150]

Shox up 2-0 in game 2, 4th inning

[ShockTalk]

So HCTB will be the WSU baseball coach for AT LEAST 2 more years after this regardless of our record especially if Boatright had a lot of input in hiring him. Nobody is going to admit a $1.34 million failure and keep their job.

I wonder if HCTB will have to make a change at some point and will let Kemnitz go to try and save face? Even if we can't fire HCTB the AD should mandate that he hire Hooper at the end of this season!

Not sure how he would be "saving face". My understanding is that Butler is recruiting the pitchers, not Kemnitz. Kemnitz has more than proven over time that he can coach his pitchers, but that doesn't mean he can work miracles with someone else's recruits. As I have said before, I thought Walker was a questionable hire and he has done nothing from a fan's viewpoint to change that for the better.