Don't Look Know But...Shocks vs Sam Houston State

[shockfan89_]

I have no regrets about my position on Gene. He was his own worst enemy. By the way, Gene said he wanted to continuing coaching right after the change. I haven't heard anything, so maybe you have. How many of those job offers have you seen? Surely someone doing such a great job would be overflowing with offers.

In all fairness, Gene was not allowed to accept a job the year we were still paying him or he would have had to give the money back to WSU. I am pretty sure he would have done anything to take that last 700k from Sexton. LOL After that year off I understand he enjoyed retirement more than he ever thought he could. It also reduced his alimony more than you and I probably make combined.

[shoxlax]

If he doesn't turn it around the rest of the year I will consider the hire a failure and we need to cut our losses. He will need to finish at least third in the league and have a winning record overall to keep his gig one more year in my opinion. I think the chances of that are about as good as me liking one of KCShox's posts but I guess there is faint hope

Hoop couldn't even get a sniff as an assistant. That's criminal

[ShockTalk]

If he doesn't turn it around the rest of the year I will consider the hire a failure and we need to cut our losses. He will need to finish at least third in the league and have a winning record overall to keep his gig one more year in my opinion. I think the chances of that are about as good as me liking one of KCShox's posts but I guess there is faint hope

Hoop couldn't even get a sniff as an assistant. That's criminal

I don't know that Hooper would have been an assistant coach for Butler. I viewed him being assistant for Gene as a head coach in waiting.

[shockfan89_]

If he doesn't turn it around the rest of the year I will consider the hire a failure and we need to cut our losses. He will need to finish at least third in the league and have a winning record overall to keep his gig one more year in my opinion. I think the chances of that are about as good as me liking one of KCShox's posts but I guess there is faint hope

Hoop couldn't even get a sniff as an assistant. That's criminal

I just don't see any chance of a coaching change in the next 2 or 3 years (counting this one). 1.34 million is just a crazy buy out number in baseball.

[shockfan89_]

There are some bright spots on the roster with several of the Fr. I am interested to see how they progress the next few years under this coaching staff.

[ShockTalk]

In all fairness, Gene was not allowed to accept a job the year we were still paying him or he would have had to give the money back to WSU. I am pretty sure he would have done anything to take that last 700k from Sexton. LOL After that year off I understand he enjoyed retirement more than he ever thought he could. It also reduced his alimony more than you and I probably make combined.

Yup, I should have considered that first year. On the other hand, if he is indeed enjoying retirement more than he ever thought, maybe he wishes he had done a few things different over the last couple of years like adding Hooper as a HCIW. I'm also happy for him.

[shockfan89_]

Yup, I should have considered that first year. On the other hand, if he is indeed enjoying retirement more than he ever thought, maybe he wishes he had done a few things different over the last couple of years like adding Hooper as a HCIW. I'm also happy for him.

Not sure if he can see the error of his ways now or not but I for sure agree with you and wished he would have added Hooper to the staff. It might have bought Gene one more contract extension and the most wins of all time...

[ShockerFever]

We have been posting. Have you been reading? I also believe that most of us had a different first (maybe second) choice than Butler, but we support the baseball program, so we supported Butler. Again, if you have been reading, we are holding him to the same higher standards that we did with Gene after Butler's 2 year grace period. I don't think anyone liked the 7 year contract. If that what it was taking to get even someone with Butler's experience and background, then I definitely would have gone for Hooper or Standiford.

I have no regrets about my position on Gene. He was his own worst enemy. By the way, Gene said he wanted to continuing coaching right after the change. I haven't heard anything, so maybe you have. How many of those job offers have you seen? Surely someone doing such a great job would be overflowing with offers.

I haven't been reading because I've been checked out since the Northern Colorado fiasco. Sorry.

Whatever makes you happy. Butler is turning this thing into the Drake of basketball. Embarrassing. The former AD should pay the buyout out of his personal bank account. It's criminal.

[ShockerFever]

What gets me is there are people actually buying concessions. Where do these people work?Are they hiring?

I really wish people would just bring in their own stuff and just ignore the concessions. Stick it to WSU where it hurts. Those prices should be considered a felony.

[WSUwatcher]

Butler recruited the pitchers.. as a former player i know that is true.

If you're right about that, KS, Butler needs to get the heck away from the pitching and let Kemnitz do his job before the pitching staff costs Butler his own job, because whatever else can be said about him one way or another, Brent has a better handle on every aspect of pitching than Butler could ever hope to have. Except for a very few games (I'm counting them on one hand and still have fingers left over), this staff is impressing no one so far and has frankly been pretty frightful -- certainly nothing resembling the first 35 or so years of Shocker baseball's current incarnation.

[KansasShocker]

If you're right about that, KS, Butler needs to get the heck away from the pitching and let Kemnitz do his job before the pitching staff costs Butler his own job, because whatever else can be said about him one way or another, Brent has a better handle on every aspect of pitching than Butler could ever hope to have. Except for a very few games (I'm counting them on one hand and still have fingers left over), this staff is impressing no one so far and has frankly been pretty frightful -- certainly nothing resembling the first 35 or so years of Shocker baseball's current incarnation.

I agree, i may have spoken to early and i was in some anger about the state of the program. I know butler was heavily recruiting pitchers while i was there. I still talk to plahers and it seems thst butler is still recruiting them. I should not have implied that kemnitz is not doing any of the recruiting because i am not sure if he is or not. I do know that the types of pitchers here do not fit kemnitz MO at all.

[Shock Top]

The program is a danger of falling off. The new AD needs to step up and make it clear that a return to prominence is of the upmost importance.

We all know basketball is king now, but WSU baseball still has some cache and they to react while that is the case.

[Shock Top]

The stadium is going to be right by the new innovation campus. They need to figure out a way to tie that in with their plans. Make baseball "cool" to the everyday person/student

[Shockerman]

What's cool is drinking beer with your buddies on the hill while watching GOOD baseball. To keep the students involved we need to rein in the Hill Nazi's, add in more Coleman pavilions that have satellite tv's, and built in propane grills. Add in a play ground area discretely built in that has slides going down the hill with an AstroTurf area where kids can stay out of the mud, play catch etc, and can't escape. Yea, but mostly just win again.

[Shock Top]

What's cool is drinking beer with your buddies on the hill while watching GOOD baseball. To keep the students involved we need to rein in the Hill Nazi's, add in more Coleman pavilions that have satellite tv's, and built in propane grills. Add in a play ground area discretely built in that has slides going down the hill with an AstroTurf area where kids can stay out of the mud, play catch etc, and can't escape. Yea, but mostly just win again.

Some great ideas, for sure.