How many seasons does Butler get?

[Ed Harley]

How would Hooper or Standiford have better dealt with two key pitchers injured, coming off a season where the upperclassmen are spewing poison about having to sit games due to the Under Armor debacle and being pissed about Gene being let go? Seems to me they would have inherited the same set of problems, assuming they had the integrity to report the Under Armor problem and not ignore it.

This is all hypothetical as they didn't go through it but here are some hypothetical thoughts:
1) Both proven coaches with winning track records, no not NCAA D1 but both have won and continue to win in tough places to coach.
2) Doubt that either would have run off returning players - There were several but Frosh AA Brummett and Mitch McIntyre (already signed with Indiana St for next year) come immediately to mind. Think we could use those two dudes about now?
3) With regards to managing returning players griping about suspensions, who knows but could they have done any worse?
4) Have to believe that YES, having a coach from the Shocker family WOULD have helped smooth the hurt feelings when Gene was let go.

None of this really matters though, the toothpaste is already out of the tube. The decision was made and the fans are suffering, unnecessarily in my opinion. As I mentioned, I do hope it gets better but the wasted seasons were not necessary.

[Ed Harley]

I was one who liked either Hoop or Standiford for coach. Hiring either would probably made life, at least temporarily, easier for ADES. Those that didn't feel Gene had run his course, would have been much more "forgiving" had either of these two been hired and had the troubles HCTB is having now (and I think they would have). Nevertheless, I believe that ADES made the strongest choice, on paper anyway, and one that was going to cause the most heat if things didn't go well quickly.

Question is, would Hooper or Standiford have discovered the Under Armour situation? Gene obviously didn't see/find it (you can take that statement how ever you wish). Eventually, it probably would have been found out. How big of problem would it have been by that time? Finding it later, how much longer would it have held back the program? Would sanctions have been worse?

That's a fair point, but one which is impossible to answer. I would guess that Hooper or Standifer would have been more accommodating to oversight than Gene was but really, who knows?

I think a better question would be: Were we hiring somebody to investigate the program or were we hiring somebody to return the program to greatness?

Jury is out on Butler's ability to get us back to greatness. Hard to argue that the last two years have been incredibly and unexpectedly disappointing.

[Ed Harley]

And for any of you who think the basketball success is distracting Sexton, think again.. Gene was fired --after the final 4 run-- That by itself probably has Butler on edge.

Sexton being distracted isn't the issue; I guarantee you he knows exactly what is happening with the program and the coach he selected.

The issue is that the general public is so understandably euphoric about basketball's success and HCGM's contract that the implosion of the baseball program is on the back burner with the media and with the fans. Without basketball's incredible run, there would be much more immediate pressure on the administration to deal with the baseball situation.

[Kung Wu]

1) Both proven coaches with winning track records, no not NCAA D1 but both have won and continue to win in tough places to coach.
2) Doubt that either would have run off returning players - There were several but Frosh AA Brummett and Mitch McIntyre (already signed with Indiana St for next year) come immediately to mind. Think we could use those two dudes about now?
3) With regards to managing returning players griping about suspensions, who knows but could they have done any worse?
4) Have to believe that YES, having a coach from the Shocker family WOULD have helped smooth the hurt feelings when Gene was let go.

Reasonable points. I am guessing Shocker fans would be a little more patient with them too.

[mr_baseball]

This is why it should be Hooper not anyone else: http://minorleaguesportsreport.com/index.php/master-baseball-guru-kevin-hooper-guides-wichita-wingnuts-success/

[Shockerman]

This is why it should be Hooper not anyone else: http://minorleaguesportsreport.com/index.php/master-baseball-guru-kevin-hooper-guides-wichita-wingnuts-success/

Sigh, I could have gone the rest of the season without reading that. Hope he finishes that degree.

[Kung Wu]

Sigh, I could have gone the rest of the season without reading that. Hope he finishes that degree.

I've seen subtle hints at people mentioning that a degree is required to be the head coach of one of WSU's programs. Is there any links to articles or anything substantiate that? It's certainly possible that the ICAA requires it, but seems odd.

[1972Shocker]

I've seen subtle hints at people mentioning that a degree is required to be the head coach of one of WSU's programs. Is there any links to articles or anything substantiate that? It's certainly possible that the ICAA requires it, but seems odd.

I don't know if those requirements are established by each University or by the Kansas Board of Regents. In any case, I don't think that a requirement for full-time coaches to have at least a bachelor's degree is uncommon.

For example: http://tbo.com/sports/colleges/usf-b...ough-20140326/

[Kung Wu]

I don't know if those requirements are established by each University or by the Kansas Board of Regents. In any case, I don't think that a requirement for full-time coaches to have at least a bachelor's degree is uncommon.

For example: http://tbo.com/sports/colleges/usf-b...ough-20140326/

Right not uncommon, but I would think usually with escape hatches like "they either have a degree or are pursuing one." Hoop can always get a ton of life credits at Friends and graduate with a Human Resources degree in a weekend (kidding, but not really).

[1972Shocker]

Right not uncommon, but I would think usually with escape hatches like "they either have a degree or are pursuing one." Hoop can always get a ton of life credits at Friends and graduate with a Human Resources degree in a weekend (kidding, but not really).

I would be very surprised if there are such escape hatches in the qualification requirement of having a bachelor's degree. You either have degree, yes or you have degree, no.

[Kung Wu]

I would be very surprised if there are such escape hatches in the qualification requirement of having a bachelor's degree. You either have degree, yes or you have degree, no.

But why would you handcuff yourself? If the near perfect candidate comes along and says "I'm only 3 credit hours short (1 class) away" why in the heck would you purposefully and unnecessarily stick language in your own policy to lose out on that candidate? You have to hire a coach, and if you can't hire that guy until he takes another class you are pretty much committing to a random season with an interim coach or selecting another less desirable candidate because of your own unforced policy.

Now I have used the word "you" over and over and I don't mean YOU @1972Shocker: -- I mean "they" a university making such a policy. I wonder if this is more common in state schools than private schools. I bet it is.

[1972Shocker]

But why would you handcuff yourself? If the near perfect candidate comes along and says "I'm only 3 credit hours short (1 class) away" why in the heck would you purposefully and unnecessarily stick language in your own policy to lose out on that candidate? You have to hire a coach, and if you can't hire that guy until he takes another class you are pretty much committing to a random season with an interim coach or selecting another less desirable candidate because of your own unforced policy.

Now I have used the word "you" over and over and I don't mean YOU @1972Shocker -- I mean "they" a university making such a policy. I wonder if this is more common in state schools than private schools. I bet it is.

Obviously, the employers in this case are at least somewhat motivated by at least keeping the appearance that they are first and foremost academic institutions and that if you are going to expect your student-athletes to consider obtaining a degree to be important (which is now more or less codified by the NCAA with the APR rules) then you probably would want your coaches/mentors to at least have met that standard as well. I suppose to an extent the colleges look on the coaches as not only coaches but teachers.

I am not aware of any current WSU head coaches and perhaps no full-time assistant coaches that aren't degreed. In fact, trying to find a NCAA D-1 head coach who is not degreed (or at least claiming to be) might be quite a challenge.

[_kai_]

Lead by example. How can a coach preach importance of academics when he didn't even attain his own degree? That's just my thoughts on the degree thing and Hooper.

[1972Shocker]

Kevin Hooper would have been a great choice to replace Gene IMHO. Whether or not he met the requirement of having a degree I still don't know. It's been cussed and discussed quite a bit but I don't think I have ever seen a definitive answer one way or the other.

Wherever Hoop ends up I think he will be a success. Would love to see him managing the KC Royals some day.

[SHOCKvalue]

Hoop can always get a ton of life credits at Friends and graduate with a Human Resources degree in a weekend (kidding, but not really).

LOL!

Isn't that the truth! T/F final and 100 word essay. Just make sure your employer pays the academic shakedown fee in advance. Oh, and the degree won't be a BA, BS, BBA, BME, BAcc or anything that anyone has actually heard of, it will be something like a Bachelors in Applied Productive Life Enlightment with a Major in Human Resource Observation or some such nonesense.