2015-16 NOMINATIONS: "Cone of Shame"

[shocka khan]

That says essentially the same thing. I'd like to get more information, but nothing in either report linked has a person that actually saw it, period.

OK. Doc, I'll answer your comments.

First and foremost, and I'm basing this on memory because the referenced article seems to be behind a paywall. (I'm a little under the weather and lack the motivation to haul my laptop out). I'm doing this from memory.

The young student who wrote this letter was Jewish. Not part of the core protesters at MU.

Second, he did not complain to news media, law enforcement and does not appear to be doing this for any financial gain. While he does appear to be rallying Jewish students, I can not see where he is getting any personal gain from doing this.

Third, he states that this has happened IIRC, the last four years running. Why in the world would someone with nothing to gain even consider repeating this part? Most liars would say 'this is what happened' and leave off the 'and it's happened for four years in a row'.

People generally do not tell the truth for a reason. It could be for financial gain, to keep from going to jail, to keep from being embarrassed, or to gain power, but inside that lie is the perception of gain of some sort.

This young man could have went to law enforcement, news media, politicians or lawyers. He did not. He was discussing a matter of concern with fellow students.

Next someone (and I doubt it was this young man) turns the information over to the newspaper in Columbia, which would be the equivalent of giving it to the Lawrence Journal World if it happened at KU. Does it make any sense for the small town newspaper that is proud of its university and where the editors live and work with university administrators to print such a story without verifying it?

Without a convincing argument otherwise, and I would like to hear it, I'd say the 'plausible denial' issued by the Federalist is nothing more than hot air, like articles I've seen on the other side from Huffpost or the Guardian. Red meat half truths disguised as an article to motivate people to make knee-jerk reactions. And I can come up with a motive for why The Federalist would do that. It squares perfectly with the white person as victim meme.

As for me, I don't think white people are victims. And if they are victims, they are victims of their own poor choices (maybe someday I can tell you that story over a beer or glass of wine). Many people sit and kvetch, but few want to work hard and persevere.

[molly jabali]

I'm trying to figure out what any of this has to do with Shocker basketball. Some of you seem to routinely forget where the political and/or off-topic forums are.

we have butted heads on this before, but you are totally correct right here...this Missouri stuff goes elsewhere.

[ShockTalk]

OK. I'll put my 2 cents in. The thread should have been in the Around the NCAA in the first place.

[shocka khan]

OK. I'll put my 2 cents in. The thread should have been in the Around the NCAA in the first place.

Never fear, that was hopefully the last post, but I did ask that it be moved. I promise to move on unless someone gratuitously insults me, as I do not believe the content belongs here.

And I'm glad that BR ranked the Shox 8th.

[ShockerFever]

If the wrong spelling of "here" was intentional after the previous spelling correction, all I can say is well done, sir. Satire at a deep level. :)

You forgot "their" as well.. :D

[tgcshock]

You forgot "their" as well.. :D

I saw it but I'm always reluctant to shoot all my bullets in one post. Wanted to see how things developed. Again, well played.

[Aargh]

Never, EVER, has a university President caved to student demands in this kind of a time frame. The President of MU doesn't appear to be the top guy.

There's a Chancellor above him. El Presidente had his choice, resign or get fired. That doesn't happen over some imagined disrespect. That happens if there's ongoing evidence of a reason to jettison the Prez that's associated with the protest.

Did I see that the Chancellor is also going away? If so, that means there is evidence of an ongoing problem that should have been handled sooner, but wasn't? Between what's happening at Mizzou and what's been happening in the St. Louis area, Missouri is starting to look like the racist captial of America.

As I understand it, meth will make users paranoid. That could explain the whole thing happening in Missouri.

[Kung Wu]

Idiocracy is real: The country is divided because one person picked up his own turd and wrote something hateful on the wall with it.

[RoyalShock]

I was listening to 1330 on the way to work today. They had their weekly interview with Todd Starnes (did he ever apologize for his knee-jerk reaction to the WSU chapel story?) and he said he contacted the Mizzou police department and could not get confirmation that anyone actually saw the swastika. They don't even have to name the person. A simple, "we have spoken to an eyewitness and the investigation is ongoing" would at least be something.

I want to give everyone involved enough credit that this situation has become so volatile due to actual events, but these are emotional, immature students (and as we've seen, faculty) who often act irrationally. Maybe that is why the president wasn't "acting fast enough". He wasn't convinced some of these things actually happened. Unless there's more than what's been publicized, only one incident (the cotton balls) sounds verifiable. Everything else is anecdotal.

I'm not saying some of those things didn't happen, but as a university president does it make sense to be reactionary based on unverifiable accusations?

The student body president (and one of the students at the center of this) has already been caught - and issued an apology for - spreading a false rumor from "multiple incorrect sources" about the KKK on campus.

[WuDrWu]

Idiocracy is real: The country is divided because one person picked up his own turd and wrote something hateful on the wall with it.

Seriously, one of the smartest guys I attended college with got s-faced one night, tried climbing the bathroom walls naked and smeared crap all over everything before he passed out.

I want to learn more, and figure out what REALLY happened, but poop, college, and after 1am isn't pushing my buttons for white guilt, racism or anything but typical college stupidity.

[WuDrWu]

The student body president (and one of the students at the center of this) has already been caught - and issued an apology for - spreading a false rumor from "multiple incorrect sources" about the KKK on campus.

I listened to the SBP on tv 2 days ago. I was not impressed. If he EVER has a job that's not special interest or government sponsored, I'll be STUNNED. College is for learning, and I hope a lot of kids are picking up some useful skills because of this. Clearly many of their professors are not.

[WuDrWu]

I click on that link. For the record, that is NOT the student body president they had on CNN Monday or Tuesday. I'm not saying he's NOT the SBP, but I want to know who I listened to on CNN now.

[Kung Wu]

I was listening to 1330 on the way to work today. They had their weekly interview with Todd Starnes (did he ever apologize for his knee-jerk reaction to the WSU chapel story?) and he said he contacted the Mizzou police department and could not get confirmation that anyone actually saw the swastika. They don't even have to name the person. A simple, "we have spoken to an eyewitness and the investigation is ongoing" would at least be something.

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The student body president (and one of the students at the center of this) has already been caught - and issued an apology for - spreading a false rumor from "multiple incorrect sources" about the KKK on campus.

Let's assume it did happen. If so, let's forget about it being a swastika for a moment.

It could be that the turd artist -- I'll call him the "turdist" -- wasn't trying to graffiti a swastika at all, but rather it was supposed to be his girlfriend's inital: "t". I mean we are talking about writing with a wet butt biscuit here. Have you ever picked up a wet stink pickle and tried to draw straight lines with it? It's terribly difficult! I think the turdist, if he exists, is misunderstood due to a knee jerk reaction from people not hip on poop culture. And now a President has resigned over one man's bad boneless brown trout rendering.

On the other hand, let's say the turdist indeed wanted to go for the swastika symbology. I'm confused, because every time a turdist creates a Jesus fartwork, the Christians find it stinky and offensive. Of course they do! When you use a tootsie roll to render something, you are saying to the world "crap on that thing". So if the turdist went all swastika with his brown bear, isn't he saying "crap on the nazis", and therefore it's a good message?

But ultimately, if it did exist, did a university president resign because of a single man's action with a dooky?

[DwShock]

I would like to know what happened to all the Adults at Mizzou?

[SHOXAAC]

Idiocracy is real: The country is divided because one person picked up his own turd and wrote something hateful on the wall with it.

Confucius say: those who confuse shat with ink has shat for brains.