The Flaming Burning Stinking & Predictable Disaster that is Creighton Basketball

[SHOCKvalue]

WSU has 7 wins in the past 3 years of NCAA appearances.

Creighton's prior 7 wins in the NCAA tournament have taken them a total 41 calendar years, and 16 NCAA tournament appearances.

No joke.

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WSU has 7 wins in the past 3 years of NCAA appearances.

Creighton's prior 7 wins in the NCAA tournament have taken them a total 41 calendar years, and 16 NCAA tournament appearances.

No joke.

So they built a power house resume in the 90's by doing what ku did.. Winning their conference over and over. I think winning whatever conference your in is good for a variety of reasons, but making deep runs in the tournament is also a important compliment to that success.

[SHOCKvalue]

So they built a power house resume in the 90's by doing what ku did.. Winning their conference over and over. I think winning whatever conference your in is good for a variety of reasons, but making deep runs in the tournament is also a important compliment to that success.

Not even that.

In the past 20 years Creighton has won the MVC as many times as WSU has. Four times for each.

They only won the MVC once in the 90's to be specific.

They're complete poseurs in the college basketball realm. A mirage that doesn't exist in reality.

[bleed yellow]

Not even that.

In the past 20 years Creighton has won the MVC as many times as WSU has. Four times for each.

They only won the MVC once in the 90's to be specific.

They're complete poseurs in the college basketball realm. A mirage that doesn't exist in reality.

Lol.. Thanks for clearing that up.

[KC Shox]

Creighton basketball may be on the downhill slope to obscurity, but they're the number 1 ranked regional (midwest) university according to US News and World Report. Interesting, there are several MVC schools in the top 20 as well. What I just don't understand is WSU is not listed. Pitt State, Emporia St., Newman and Friends but not WSU. Are we that bad in their eyes, what the hell is WSU doing wrong? What will it take for WSU, as a whole, to start getting some love from an academic reputation standpoint? That's for another topic and another day to discuss I guess.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/regional-universities-midwest

[choida]

Creighton basketball may be on the downhill slope to obscurity, but they're the number 1 ranked regional (midwest) university according to US News and World Report. Interesting, there are several MVC schools in the top 20 as well. What I just don't understand is WSU is not listed. Pitt State, Emporia St., Newman and Friends but not WSU. Are we that bad in their eyes, what the hell is WSU doing wrong? What will it take for WSU, as a whole, to start getting some love from an academic reputation standpoint? That's for another topic and another day to discuss I guess.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...sities-midwest

Hogwash

[Kung Wu]

Creighton basketball may be on the downhill slope to obscurity, but they're the number 1 ranked regional (midwest) university according to US News and World Report. Interesting, there are several MVC schools in the top 20 as well. What I just don't understand is WSU is not listed. Pitt State, Emporia St., Newman and Friends but not WSU.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...sities-midwest

That's because your brain is so tiny, regarding WSU. We are in the National listing because we have a "full range" of undergraduate, master's and doctoral programs. We didn't crack the top 200, but that's just a matter of getting Bardo's program underway.

Tiny, tiny, tiny.

[Kel Varnsen]

Creighton basketball may be on the downhill slope to obscurity, but they're the number 1 ranked regional (midwest) university according to US News and World Report. Interesting, there are several MVC schools in the top 20 as well. What I just don't understand is WSU is not listed. Pitt State, Emporia St., Newman and Friends but not WSU. Are we that bad in their eyes, what the hell is WSU doing wrong? What will it take for WSU, as a whole, to start getting some love from an academic reputation standpoint? That's for another topic and another day to discuss I guess.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...sities-midwest

Meh. That methodology is SO subjective. Graduate performance is only 7.5% of that methodology. With our Co-op and Internship program, we have to be near the top of that factor. But again, it's only 7.5% of their criteria. Which I think is dumb. Don't you go to college so you can find gainful employment once you graduate?

[SHOCKvalue]

Creighton basketball may be on the downhill slope to obscurity, but they're the number 1 ranked regional (midwest) university according to US News and World Report. Interesting, there are several MVC schools in the top 20 as well. What I just don't understand is WSU is not listed. Pitt State, Emporia St., Newman and Friends but not WSU. Are we that bad in their eyes, what the hell is WSU doing wrong? What will it take for WSU, as a whole, to start getting some love from an academic reputation standpoint? That's for another topic and another day to discuss I guess.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...sities-midwest

Let me help you out here. You're new to this apparently.

The US News rankings are stratified, much like college sports. Creighton being #1 in the US News midwest region, at the regional level, is sort of analogous to Pitt State being the #1 ranked D2 football program in the Great Plains and/or Midwestern US. WSU on the other hand is classified at the same level as all of the large, research universities in the country. We are unranked in US News because our competition for a spot in the rankings are Michigan, Texas, UCLA, et al. We are classified as a lower level FBS football team, as it were. If WSU had academics similar to most in the Big10, we would still not cross paths with Creighton on a US News list. Parallel universes.


Carnegie Classifications:

WSU -RU/H: Research Universities (high research activity)
CU - Master's L: Master's Colleges and Universities (larger programs)

We're two rungs above CU in Carnegie Classification, in the next level up (again... D1 versus D2).

http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/

University R&D Expenditures:

WSU - $61.4M
CU - $30.0M

We pretty much annihilate the MVC in this category as well. I haven't looked them all up in a while, but as I recall no one even comes close to touching WSU's R&D spending, and at the end of the day, research is one of the most fundamental characteristics that academic snobs look to for a pecking order.

http://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/herd/2013/html/HERD2013_DST_17.html

Also, if it makes you feel any better, WSU is only one of 4 schools in the state of Kansas that make the Forbes America's Top College List (Kansas has around 25 legitimate, traditional colleges and universities that could make the list). Here are some school's you might recognize that are +/- 50 spots from WSU in that list of 650:

St Johns
UAB
Louisville
Southern Miss
Missouri State
Western Kentucky
SIU
UNLV
Memphis

...and a lot of other schools you would easily recognize. Essentially all of the MVC publics are clustered within a rankings range of about 100 spots (2 are higher than WSU, 3 are lower). The MVC privates aren't knocking anyone's socks off in the Forbes list either, including former MVC member Creighton.

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/

Lastly... you are a terrifically embarrassing poster, on all of the various forums you litter with your uninformed, battered-woman-style WSU apologetics. If _kai_ could rename you #FACEPALM on all the forums you skulk around in he would make my week.

[WstateU]

Creighton basketball may be on the downhill slope to obscurity, but they're the number 1 ranked regional (midwest) university according to US News and World Report. Interesting, there are several MVC schools in the top 20 as well. What I just don't understand is WSU is not listed. Pitt State, Emporia St., Newman and Friends but not WSU. Are we that bad in their eyes, what the hell is WSU doing wrong? What will it take for WSU, as a whole, to start getting some love from an academic reputation standpoint? That's for another topic and another day to discuss I guess.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...sities-midwest

[ShockerEngineer]

Meh. That methodology is SO subjective. Graduate performance is only 7.5% of that methodology. With our Co-op and Internship program, we have to be near the top of that factor. But again, it's only 7.5% of their criteria. Which I think is dumb. Don't you go to college so you can find gainful employment once you graduate?

The vast amounts of people flushing money down the toilet to major in something useless may disagree ;)

[DUShock]

I believe schools pay US News and Princeton Review, etc. to be evaluated/assessed.

[1972Shocker]

I believe schools pay US News and Princeton Review, etc. to be evaluated/assessed.

[Kung Wu]

Let me help you out here. You're new to this apparently.

The US News rankings are strati . . .

. . . _kai_ could rename you #FACEPALM on all the forums you skulk around in he would make my week.

BAM!

[rjl]

I believe schools pay US News and Princeton Review, etc. to be evaluated/assessed.

No, but there are ways to game the system. Acceptance rate is one way. A lot of schools actively recruit applicants that they know they will never admit just so that they can appear more "selective."