American Athletic Conference

[GoShockers89]

Why the heck would we block you? That's borderline paranoid.

Ummm, yep, I said you would in fact not block us. Not sure where the paranoia comes from- I was contrasting two views: (1) That WSU could somehow make themselves a package deal with CU (not happening); (2) That CU, despite having no incentive to strap itself to WSU, would do nothing to impede us joining any prospective league together (true statement).

The point was that we are on our own in this right now.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Guys, it's 1,200 miles from Bugaha to the east coast. Why in **** would all those east coast teams want to fly all their non-revenue sports to Bug every year? They would REALLY have to be salivating for a BJ to make that commitment.

And please stop talking about the Valley adding an east coast team like VCU. Schools like Purple Pimp High, NIU, etc. would most likely have to send all their equipment UPS and then give all their players a greyhound ticket saying, "meet ya at the game". A home and home would take over a week to complete.


T


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[pogo]

Why would CU and WSU not form a NEW mid west conference (albeit lose an auto bid) that could include those schools not picked by the Catholic league and remaining teams in c-usa and the a-10 with mid west roots.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

After doing some reading, and talking with some East Coasters, I am even more convinced this will become a Ten team league with by laws dictating a 2/3 Majority to control the conference.

Members will be:

DePaul
Duquesne (Pittsburgh Market)
Georgetown
Marquette
Providence
Richmond (Richmond Market)
St. John's
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier (Cincinnati Market)

Some are concerned about Duquesne, as they are far from a powerhouse in basketball and struggle for ratings in thier market. Same with Richmond. The thought is they are like minded universities (Richmond is non-secular), private universities with stringent admissions. They would grow from being in the New Big East. They are also quality TV markets that fit geographically with existing members.

A couple people actually have said they see St. Louis or Dayton in place of Richmond due to the Catholic affiliation.

Most say they will stay small and try to fill gaps geographically first. It is believed with the 3 leaving the A-10 it will be greatly weakened. This will drive the remaining strong programs to look elsewhere.

If the most agreed to scenario comes true, then most predict St. Louis and Dayton to the MVC. Thought is that the Valley would also look at UT-Arlington and Utah State, but fear is the Eastern schools wouldn't go for additional travel even with greater revenue.

Two people said they see St. Louis, Creighton, Wichita State, and Dayton being pulled into the MWC or C-USA, although current C-USA by laws do not allow that.

No matter what happens, there is belief that there will be 5-8 quality programs without a quality league. I hope we improve our league or move to another league with these quality schools maybe making one that wasn't powerful much more so.

[Manhattan_Shocker]

Anybody read Suellentrop's blog yet? Doesn't look good guys... http://blogs.kansas.com/shockwaves/2...and-creighton/

[Manhattan_Shocker]

Why is it that Creighton is at the forefront of these expansion discussions, but WSU is not mentioned?

[C0|dB|00ded]

Why is it that Creighton is at the forefront of these expansion discussions, but WSU is not mentioned?

Who said BJ is at the forefront? You need to read more carefully. The only reason anybody has mentioned BJ is because of their catholic affiliation. They are a looooong shot to be included in a new east coast conference, but not out of the question.

Wichita State has a better athletic and basketball program than BJ but we are not a catholic school AND we are in the mid-west.


T


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[Ta town]

If the most agreed to scenario comes true, then most predict St. Louis and Dayton to the MVC. Thought is that the Valley would also look at UT-Arlington and Utah State, but fear is the Eastern schools wouldn't go for additional travel even with greater revenue.

Two people said they see St. Louis, Creighton, Wichita State, and Dayton being pulled into the MWC or C-USA, although current C-USA by laws do not allow that.

No matter what happens, there is belief that there will be 5-8 quality programs without a quality league. I hope we improve our league or move to another league with these quality schools maybe making one that wasn't powerful much more so.

This part of the post made sense nada. In fact it almost seems as though you are being sarcastic just not sure.

[SubGod22]

Why is it that Creighton is at the forefront of these expansion discussions, but WSU is not mentioned?

They're not in the forefront, but they're also Catholic. That's why they get discussed more than us. It's not rocket surgery.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

It is believed with the 3 leaving the A-10 it will be greatly weakened. This will drive the remaining strong programs to look elsewhere.

If the most agreed to scenario comes true, then most predict St. Louis and Dayton to the MVC. Thought is that the Valley would also look at UT-Arlington and Utah State, but fear is the Eastern schools wouldn't go for additional travel even with greater revenue.

This scenario leaves Butler in a greatly weakened A-10. Butler would be a great fit for the MVC, I'd take them in a heartbeat over UTA and UT State.

[GoShockers89]

Utah State would never, ever consider the MVC.

Their football team is currently ranked and heading to a bowl game. Not happening in a million years.

[SubGod22]

I'd be all for adding 4 in Downtowns scenario with SLU, Dayton, Butler and Arlington.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

This part of the post made sense nada. In fact it almost seems as though you are being sarcastic just not sure.

After doing some reading, and talking with some East Coasters, I am even more convinced this will become a Ten team league with by laws dictating a 2/3 Majority to control the conference.

Members will be:

DePaul
Duquesne (Pittsburgh Market)
Georgetown
Marquette
Providence
Richmond (Richmond Market)
St. John's
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier (Cincinnati Market)

Some are concerned about Duquesne, as they are far from a powerhouse in basketball and struggle for ratings in thier market. Same with Richmond. The thought is they are like minded universities (Richmond is non-secular), private universities with stringent admissions. They would grow from being in the New Big East. They are also quality TV markets that fit geographically with existing members.

A couple people actually have said they see St. Louis or Dayton in place of Richmond due to the Catholic affiliation.

Most say they will stay small and try to fill gaps geographically first. It is believed with the 3 leaving the A-10 it will be greatly weakened. This will drive the remaining strong programs to look elsewhere.

If the most agreed to scenario comes true, then most predict St. Louis and Dayton to the MVC. Thought is that the Valley would also look at UT-Arlington and Utah State, but fear is the Eastern schools wouldn't go for additional travel even with greater revenue.

Two people said they see St. Louis, Creighton, Wichita State, and Dayton being pulled into the MWC or C-USA, although current C-USA by laws do not allow that.

No matter what happens, there is belief that there will be 5-8 quality programs without a quality league. I hope we improve our league or move to another league with these quality schools maybe making one that wasn't powerful much more so.

If they go with 10, that leaves the A-10 very much weakened based on taking 3 from them.

Many believe the MVC will try again for St. Louis, adding Dayton to get us to 12. If the MVC decides to try to get to 14, then it is believed we will try to get UTA and Utah State. I don't think that will happen for the same reason the eastern schools would not approve Dallas Baptist. Utah State also has FB.

Two people, not in contact with each other, seem to think that St. Louis, Creighton, Dayton, and Wichita State will partner with some left out A-10 schools and Big East schools. They believe there will be 5-8 solid programs that can partner with a couple other schools to save the A-10 and rebrand it.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

The basis of the re-formed A-10 would look something like this:

East: George Mason, George Washington, St. Joseph's, St. Bonaventure, Temple, VCU.

West: Bradley, Butler, Creighton, Dayton, Drake, Wichita State

Or going to 14--

East: Davidson
West: San Diego St.

The SDSU idea would be good one, but travel and time zones could be an issue, plus they will probably stay tied to the BE FB members. Could add a number of teams including UTA, Oral Roberts, Etc.

[rrshock]

What about Gonzaga and their national conference idea?