Healthcare Hypocricy?

[MoValley John]

I don't know how different state laws are written, but in Nebraska, to drive a vehicle on a public road it must be licensed. In order to license a vehicle it must be insured. You also need to be able to provide proof of insurance if you are driving with temporary tags. Other states may have different laws, but it would be nearly impossible to locate every old, unlicensed, non-working vehicle in every storage shed or back corner of a farm. I venture to guess that almost every vehicle on blocks in Alabama and Georgia is both unlicensed and uninsured.

It is perfectly legal for me to buy a car, put it on a flatbed, drop it in my driveway and neither license nor insure the vehicle. I can own the car at that point, I just can't drive it.

This all goes back to the strawman argument equating auto insurance with health insurance. Nobody is compelled to own auto insurance. Only when you choose to drive on roads built and maintained by the government are you compelled to purchase auto insurance. The government is now attempting to force people to purchase insurance.

[Maggie]

True. My question was not relevant to the issue being debated (health insurance) I was just curious. As an aside, I am not sure the auto/heath insurance comparasion is a strawman argument - it is simply a faulty analogy.

[MoValley John]

Maggie, let me pose it this way. You live in New jersey and have no use for a car. But you plan on moving back to Kansas in a few years. You spy a 67 Mustang convertible that you want really, really badly. You buy it, have it delivered to a storage facility in Wichita. There it will sit for a few years. It won't be driven, it won't be tagged, it will sit. Do you really need to buy auto insurance in Kansas to indemnify a car that is on blocks?

[Maggie]

Maggie, let me pose it this way. You live in New jersey and have no use for a car. But you plan on moving back to Kansas in a few years. You spy a 67 Mustang convertible that you want really, really badly. You buy it, have it delivered to a storage facility in Wichita. There it will sit for a few years. It won't be driven, it won't be tagged, it will sit. Do you really need to buy auto insurance in Kansas to indemnify a car that is on blocks?

Do I need to by insurance? No - unless the risk of a tornado taking out my Mustang is inordinately high - a risk I might consider. Am I compelled to buy insurance? Maybe that depends on KS law. Would I buy insurance if not required to? Probably not.

I understand what you are saying.

[MoValley John]

It is a really weak analogy and baffles me why it even gets brought up in the debate.

[MoValley John]

It would be a prudent decision to protect your Mustang from a disaster. I don't think the state would require you to do so.

I say Maggie would be wise to pony up to protect his Pony!

By the way, what color is your Mustang?

[Maggie]

It is a really weak analogy and baffles me why it even gets brought up in the debate.

It gets brought up because certain people think it is an easy comparison for the "unwashed masses" to relate to (and most idiots on T.V. don't properly refute it) - they don't believe the "masses" will actually take a beat and consider how the options are very, very different.

[Maggie]

It would be a prudent decision to protect your Mustang from a disaster. I don't think the state would require you to do so.

I say Maggie would be wise to pony up to protect his Pony!

By the way, what color is your Mustang?

Black on Black - if I could wave my magic wand. A 67' Mustang convertible is not a bad ride.

[SB Shock]

In kansas you have to have proof of car insurance before you can buy/renew your tags.

BTW, Maggie,

Thanks for your explanation and laying out the scenarios as you see that might unfold. It was informative.

[Maggie]

I tried to be concise because of the time allotted to me – I wanted to write more. But the bullet points, I tried to highlight. No one knows what will happen. I don’t; and anyone else purporting to have such foreknowledge should be ignored.

I am not confident my post was informative; but thanks.

[1979Shocker]

Kagan and Thomas face political pressure to sit out health reform case

Political groups are applying pressure to two of the U.S. Supreme Court's nine justices before they hear a series of cases challenging the constitutionality of President Obama's signature health reform law.

Conservative groups want to prevent Justice Elena Kagan from being among the members of the court to decide the case, which the justices announced on Monday they would hear this term. And liberal groups, similarly, want Justice Clarence Thomas to recuse himself from the case.

[Maggie]

Kagan and Thomas face political pressure to sit out health reform case

So...do you even understand why their might be a difference?

Just asking.

[kcshocker11]

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-scalia-thomas-20111114,0,7978224.story

May not be anything wrong be sure dont look good.

The day the Supreme Court gathered behind closed doors to consider the politically divisive question of whether it would hear a challenge to President Obama’s healthcare law, two of its justices, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, were feted at a dinner sponsored by the law firm that will argue the case before the high court.

[1972Shocker]

Maggie, let me pose it this way. You live in New jersey and have no use for a car. But you plan on moving back to Kansas in a few years. You spy a 67 Mustang convertible that you want really, really badly. You buy it, have it delivered to a storage facility in Wichita. There it will sit for a few years. It won't be driven, it won't be tagged, it will sit. Do you really need to buy auto insurance in Kansas to indemnify a car that is on blocks?

There is no requirement to insure your car against damage or theft in any case. You only need to buy liability insurance if you want to use your vehicle on public roadways and need to register/tag your vehicle. You are only required to have liability protection for 3rd parties whose property or person may be damaged or injured by your use of your vehicle.

You are required to insure your liability to others, but you are not required to insure your vehicle.

Many folks do this with older vehicles of relatively low value. Liability coverage only as the premiums for collision and comp are not worth it.

[Maggie]

Elena Kagan -The Justice Who Knew Too Much

This is a solid argument as to why recusal is appropriate - in case anyone actually cares about what the law actually says.