Healthcare Hypocricy?

[wu_shizzle]

Palin the savior is misleading and lying to the American people about health care reform. I doubt she has even read the bill or understands it even if she has read it.

http://skeptikone.blogspot.com/2009/...alth-care.html

The person who has changed their story on end of life treatments is BHO.

Here's the actual bill

HR 3200 Section 1233

A program for orders for life sustaining
9 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
10 program that—
11 ‘‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized
12 and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
13 ‘‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such
14 orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign
17 orders for life sustaining treatment;
18 ‘‘(III) provides training for health care
19 professionals across the continuum of care
20 about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment;

And by the way, Congress is taking this wording out now.

So if BHO is saying it was never in, why are they taking it out?

[SB Shock]

Palin the savior is misleading and lying to the American people about health care reform. I doubt she has even read the bill or understands it even if she has read it.

http://skeptikone.blogspot.com/2009/...alth-care.html

The person who has changed their story on end of life treatments is BHO.

Here's the actual bill

HR 3200 Section 1233

A program for orders for life sustaining
9 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
10 program that—
11 ‘‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized
12 and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
13 ‘‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such
14 orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign
17 orders for life sustaining treatment;
18 ‘‘(III) provides training for health care
19 professionals across the continuum of care
20 about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment;

And by the way, Congress is taking this wording out now.

So if BHO is saying it was never in, why are they taking it out?

Bwahhaaa - Shockcity P-Owned

[Maggie]

This is annoying – which I assume is the end game.

As I stated earlier this morning, people who use rhetoric like, “fear mongering”, “whacko”, “scare tactics to brainwash their blind followers”, “whack jobs” or “fat cat right wing whackos” generally have nothing useful to add to a debate about any subject.

Coming from someone who appeared to be concerned about debates deteriorating into “peeing contests” I find this a bit odd. Well, to be fair I actually find it to be sophomoric, insipid and sad.

[Maggie]

Anyone see Sheila Jackson Lee last night?

No. But I assume it had to do with what she suggested was a “doctored” YouTube video of her talking on her cell phone while a constituent is asking her a question.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2009/08/13/cnns-sanchez-presses-rep-sheila-jackson-lee-town-hall-phone-use

:shock:

[1979Shocker]

Palin the savior is misleading and lying to the American people about health care reform. I doubt she has even read the bill or understands it even if she has read it.

http://skeptikone.blogspot.com/2009/...alth-care.html

Sarah Palin: Thanks But No Thanks On That Death Panel

As ThinkProgress reports today, Sarah Palin was for end-of-life counseling before she was against it.

As governor, Palin declared April 16, 2008, "Healthcare Decisions Day," signing a proclamation to "encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to ... increase the number of Alaska's citizens with advance directives."

An advance directive can be a living will, which describes the medical treatments you do or do not want at the end of life, or a power of attorney, which designates someone to make those decisions for you.

Palin has been railing against a provision in the House health care bill which would reimburse doctors for counseling patients about such advance directives. She says that provision really calls for a "death panel," where government bureaucrats would decide who could get life-extending care based on their usefulness to society. This claim has been thoroughly debunked.

[Maggie]

Charles Kratuhammer is spot on, as usual, regarding this preventive care issue (not that it is a bad thing – it just is not a creditable cost saving measure):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/13/AR2009081302898.html

And here is an article by Jake Tapper (who at least asks some probing questions from time to time) on the same subject:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/congressional-budget-expert-says-preventive-care-will-raise-not-cut-costs.html

[RoyalShock]

I'm sure the republicans would rather see these people go without health care than help honest hardworking Americans who are trying to care for their families. As long as the fat cat right wing whackos are covered it's all good.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5240824.shtml

No Republican (or conservative) wants to see anyone not get the care they need. But they don't believe the federal government should be the provider/insurer. The disgusting part is that you know this to be the case.

[ShockCity]

Right wing whacko Glenn Beck organizing chaotic demonstrations at town hall meetings. Republicans will stop at nothing to get their brainwash message out there. I wonder if he thinks it would be more beneficial to report on stories like this clinic? Probably not, because he is more interested in making sure President Obama fails than the needs of the American people.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/politics/2009/08/14/inglewood/

Oh, and how about the whacko comparing herself to MLK? Haaaaa! What a joke.

[ShockCity]

Guess who helped launch universal health care in Britain? Conservative idol Winston Churchill.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2009/08/14/healthcare/

[ShockCity]

Right wing whackos threatening supporters of the health care reform bill. Not surprising.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/feature/2009/08/14/kittanning/

[RoyalShock]

I don't think our resident liberal (or most plan supporters) understand is how the opponents are approaching this.

There are areas in this plan, particularly the end-of-life section, that isn't narrowly enough defined to specify what is and isn't intended, included, or excluded. As such, it isn't unreasonable to assume that the vagueness will be exploited.

Furthermore, we know that government is never content to just maintain the power it has. It seeks to grab more. Therefore, it isn't unreasonable to expect that this will eventually grow into a full-blown single-payer system.

There are plenty of examples of what happens in single-payer, government-controlled healthcare systems. Hence, it's not unreasonable to expect the same thing to happen in the U.S. should that be realized.

I, for one, am glad that the Republicans are imagining the very real possibilities that could result from passage of a healthcare bill. I don't call that fear-mongering, I call it imparting wisdom.

So to all the "fear-mongering, right-wing wacko, brainwashing liars" out there sounding the alarm, :good: .

[ShockerGorilla]

Oh, and how about the whacko comparing herself to MLK? Haaaaa! What a joke.

If you actually read the article, she does not compare herself to MLK. She merely says she wants to stand up for her values like MLK did. She won't cave in to the liberal media & Democrats.

[Maggie]

Palin the savior is misleading and lying to the American people about health care reform. I doubt she has even read the bill or understands it even if she has read it.

http://skeptikone.blogspot.com/2009/...alth-care.html

Sarah Palin: Thanks But No Thanks On That Death Panel

As ThinkProgress reports today, Sarah Palin was for end-of-life counseling before she was against it.

As governor, Palin declared April 16, 2008, "Healthcare Decisions Day," signing a proclamation to "encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to ... increase the number of Alaska's citizens with advance directives."

An advance directive can be a living will, which describes the medical treatments you do or do not want at the end of life, or a power of attorney, which designates someone to make those decisions for you.

Palin has been railing against a provision in the House health care bill which would reimburse doctors for counseling patients about such advance directives. She says that provision really calls for a "death panel," where government bureaucrats would decide who could get life-extending care based on their usefulness to society. This claim has been thoroughly debunked.

Without wading into the whole “death panel” characterization, I would humbly submit that voluntarily consulting a lawyer, family, etc. about drafting a living will and power of attorney (my wife is an estate and trust attorney so she does this all the time – and it is very private and very personal) is different in kind and degree from what is set forth in Section 1233 of this bill.

[ShockCity]

Palin the savior is misleading and lying to the American people about health care reform. I doubt she has even read the bill or understands it even if she has read it.

http://skeptikone.blogspot.com/2009/...alth-care.html

Sarah Palin: Thanks But No Thanks On That Death Panel

As ThinkProgress reports today, Sarah Palin was for end-of-life counseling before she was against it.

As governor, Palin declared April 16, 2008, "Healthcare Decisions Day," signing a proclamation to "encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to ... increase the number of Alaska's citizens with advance directives."

An advance directive can be a living will, which describes the medical treatments you do or do not want at the end of life, or a power of attorney, which designates someone to make those decisions for you.

Palin has been railing against a provision in the House health care bill which would reimburse doctors for counseling patients about such advance directives. She says that provision really calls for a "death panel," where government bureaucrats would decide who could get life-extending care based on their usefulness to society. This claim has been thoroughly debunked.

Without wading into the whole “death panel” characterization, I would humbly submit that voluntarily consulting a lawyer, family, etc. about drafting a living will and power of attorney (my wife is an estate and trust attorney so she does this all the time – and it is very private and very personal) is different in kind and degree from what is set forth in Section 1233 of this bill.

"Death panel" claims are false! More rhetoric from the right to scare and put fear into the public, particularly the elderly.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/14/blayney.death.discussions/index.html

From an esteemed medical professional:

This argument is completely false. This provision simply provides for Medicare to pay for voluntary conversations between patients and their health care practitioners on the difficult but important subject of planning for care at the end of life.

The provision is purely optional, and patients would be able to choose whether to discuss the issue with their practitioners. For those who decide to do so, there would be clear benefits.

[ShockCity]

HR 3200 Section 1233

A program for orders for life sustaining
9 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
10 program that—
11 ‘‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized
12 and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
13 ‘‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such
14 orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign
17 orders for life sustaining treatment;
18 ‘‘(III) provides training for health care
19 professionals across the continuum of care
20 about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment;

Hmm, acting within the scope of the professionals authority under STATE LAW!!!! How many states have legalized euthanasia? It also clearly addresses orders for life sustaining treatment. Where again does it say all elderly will be euthanized?