Healthcare Hypocricy?

[RoyalShock]

Oh, and how about the whacko comparing herself to MLK? Haaaaa! What a joke.

If you actually read the article, she does not compare herself to MLK. She merely says she wants to stand up for her values like MLK did. She won't cave in to the liberal media & Democrats.

Ah, how illustrative of the difference between the left and right.

The leftist "news" doesn't just report only the stories that benefit their side of the argument, the grossly misconstrue and misrepresent in an attempt to, as ShockCity would put it, "brainwash" their readership.

What I like about the conservative "news" sites is that while they mostly report the stories that benefit their side of the argument, they don't generally resort to the same tactics that HuffPo, Salon, et. al. do.


I admit that I am absolutely loving the blowback the Dems are now getting from truly angry conservatives who have finally woke up and are expressing their displeasure with the direction our the country is headed. We've dealt with the left-wing, violent protester crew for decades. But we always knew they were just generally angry people looking for any and all targets to express it and didn't really represent mainstream views. But the town hall protests are very, very different and the Dems know it.

Every time they attempt to slander the protesters they know it's a lie but it's all they have to try and hold their ground. Even members of their own party are waking up and abandoning the ship. That's why Obama demanded a bill be passed before August. But the sleeping masses have awakened.

[ShockCity]

Classic right wing whacko. This is the kind of crazy uninformed lemmings the brainwashers are out to reach.

http://washingtonindependent.com/54885/death-to-obama-sign-pops-up-at-cardin-town-hall

[RoyalShock]

Classic right wing whacko. This is the kind of crazy uninformed lemmings the brainwashers are out to reach.

http://washingtonindependent.com/548...rdin-town-hall

Unless you also condemned the same treatments and "threats" to Bush (which you didn't) then you are a hypocrite, but we already knew that.

For the record, that's going way too far and the person is obviously disturbed.


SC, you've gone off the deep-end with your constant labeling based on the actions of a few, posting articles that actually serve to defeat your own point (demonstrating your inability to think critically, as has been pointed out numerous times over the past weeks) and your overall hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty. I'm done interacting with you on this and other non-WSU topics.

[ISASO]

ShockCity, the debate starts and stops right here:

http://moneyfeatures.blogs.money.cnn.com/2009/08/13/give-congress-a-taste-of-our-medicine/

Until every member of Congress willingly and happily signs up to be consumers of the same system they want to force upon us...

NO DEAL!!

[Maggie]

Palin the savior is misleading and lying to the American people about health care reform. I doubt she has even read the bill or understands it even if she has read it.

http://skeptikone.blogspot.com/2009/...alth-care.html

Sarah Palin: Thanks But No Thanks On That Death Panel

As ThinkProgress reports today, Sarah Palin was for end-of-life counseling before she was against it.

As governor, Palin declared April 16, 2008, "Healthcare Decisions Day," signing a proclamation to "encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to ... increase the number of Alaska's citizens with advance directives."

An advance directive can be a living will, which describes the medical treatments you do or do not want at the end of life, or a power of attorney, which designates someone to make those decisions for you.

Palin has been railing against a provision in the House health care bill which would reimburse doctors for counseling patients about such advance directives. She says that provision really calls for a "death panel," where government bureaucrats would decide who could get life-extending care based on their usefulness to society. This claim has been thoroughly debunked.

Without wading into the whole “death panel” characterization, I would humbly submit that voluntarily consulting a lawyer, family, etc. about drafting a living will and power of attorney (my wife is an estate and trust attorney so she does this all the time – and it is very private and very personal) is different in kind and degree from what is set forth in Section 1233 of this bill.

"Death panel" claims are false! More rhetoric from the right to scare and put fear into the public, particularly the elderly.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/14/blayney.death.discussions/index.html

From an esteemed medical professional:

This argument is completely false. This provision simply provides for Medicare to pay for voluntary conversations between patients and their health care practitioners on the difficult but important subject of planning for care at the end of life.

The provision is purely optional, and patients would be able to choose whether to discuss the issue with their practitioners. For those who decide to do so, there would be clear benefits.

You are completely missing my point. Because you don’t seem interested or are unable to rationally discuss this issue, I won’t elaborate.

As for 1979Shocker, I would be happy to dilate further, if necessary and if coaxed.

[Maggie]

Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine in 1961:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcorner%2Enationalreview%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

[ShockCity]

Fat cat insurance companies lining up with right wing whackos to help spread lies. Not the first time the GOP and big business have been incahoots. Cha-ching!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/12/ex-insurance-exec-industr_n_258095.html

[ShockCity]

Once again, the Democrats are interpreting the plan accurately for the American people, and whackos like Grassley are fear mongering to brainwash.

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/political-fix/2009/08/grassleys-grandma-remark-re-ignites-debate/

[ShockCity]

More GOP scare tactics and lies:

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/obama/2009/08/05/obama-administration-gop-using-scare-tactics-on-healthcare.html

[wu_shizzle]

Once again, the Democrats are interpreting the plan accurately for the American people, and whackos like Grassley are fear mongering to brainwash.

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/pol...gnites-debate/

Thank You for bringing humor to my day.

The idea that the former head of the Finance Committee (a wonkish chair) and recipient of the Health Policy Hero Award from the National Research Center for Women & Families is a "whacko", "fear-mongerer" is right up there with the most ignorant things you've posted on this board.



This is Grassley accepting an award from the same SEIU that supports Obamacare.

[ShockCity]

The type of whack jobs we are looking at. I suppose this is ok?

4. Wildest Sight: MSNBC captures the shocking image of a man with a legal, loaded handgun strapped to his leg outside a Town Hall in New Hampshire where protesters await President Obama. The man carries a sign reading, "It is time to water the tree of liberty" — a reference to the Thomas Jefferson quote, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." We can't remember the last time we saw the first and second amendments expressed so simultaneously — or publicly — in any proximity to a president.

[ShockCity]

Once again, the Democrats are interpreting the plan accurately for the American people, and whackos like Grassley are fear mongering to brainwash.

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/pol...gnites-debate/

Thank You for bringing humor to my day.

The idea that the former head of the Finance Committee (a wonkish chair) and recipient of the Health Policy Hero Award from the National Research Center for Women & Families is a "whacko", "fear-mongerer" is right up there with the most ignorant things you've posted on this board.



This is Grassley accepting an award from the same SEIU that supports Obamacare.

And this is relevant how?

[rZ]

Just to refresh the memory...

Sub, the sources you use are very "fair and balanced". :D

This coming from someone who cites the huffington post as a source.

When did I do that?

A couple of weeks ago someone linked to a huffingtonpost article. A quick search yielded no results. So, I apologize for misquoting you if indeed you did not link to said article.

And then today...

Fat cat insurance companies lining up with right wing whackos to help spread lies. Not the first time the GOP and big business have been incahoots. Cha-ching!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_258095.html

I resend my former apology for potentially misquoting you while eluding to the disingenuous nature of your views regarding media coverage of political happenings. By quoting the hp today you are setting a precedent that "fair news coverage" only applies to the favorable reporting of your views. So I state again, to delegitimize the views of another solely because the source of their information is not in line with your own views makes you a hypocrite and only serves to delegitimize any subsequent point you may try to make.

Its getting to the point now to where, in order for you to get people to take you seriously, you will need to formulate an argument so profound that it makes Maggie look like he uses a drool cup. That means you will have to articulate something beyond simply calling WuDr an elitist or Sub a doodie head.

I for one would love to have a civil debate regarding the political nature of our country today versus the principles upon which it was founded. Unfortunately, I believe today more so than ever, people are unable and unwilling to separate a debate of political ideology from an attack on the individual person.

[SB Shock]

[quote="rZ"]Just to refresh the memory...

Sub, the sources you use are very "fair and balanced". :D

This coming from someone who cites the huffington post as a source.

When did I do that?

A couple of weeks ago someone linked to a huffingtonpost article. A quick search yielded no results. So, I apologize for misquoting you if indeed you did not link to said article.

And then today...

Fat cat insurance companies lining up with right wing whackos to help spread lies. Not the first time the GOP and big business have been incahoots. Cha-ching!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_258095.html

Yah, I was laughing as I saw that post. Really, you would think the pinko/moonbats/leftist/socialist would at least have a little critical thinking to at least frame the debate instead of repeating the talking points.

[Maggie]

I think, at this point, I have to call upon some people (as others have pointed out, quite correctly), to engage in a little critical thinking. This is a serious issue and, as I have stated before, I think both sides can agree that the system is not “perfect” (not that it, or life in general, will ever be perfect).

You know in my life, which is of course significantly affected by my current residence, I have constantly been confronted with what I must reluctantly concede is (and this is with great reluctance) an absolute truism:

“Some people” have, and if you are one of the afflicted you would recognize this fact if you take a beat for self reflection, what Thomas Sowell described as “unconstrained vision”. This means that these people, for whatever reason, naturally assume that everyone else sees things through the same categorical prism. So those who accept this line of reasoning, willingly or subconsciously or however, assume their ideological opposites take the “bad” view to their “good”.

Sadly, all that gets you, at a pragmatic, practical, or philosophical level, is a battle against a straw man. If you desire to continue to dwell in this world have fun setting fire to your fiction.

Oh rZ one last thing – maybe I do require a drool cup (my wife certainly would think so -- at times), WuDrWu is an elitist, Sub is a “doodie head” and Royal, who I will add in, is a radical individualist – to paraphrase - I would rather entrust my future to an individualist elitist doodie head who is saliva impaired then to a thousand bureaucrats taking orders from Washington.

I will not willingly cede more power to anyone, not to the state, not to General Motors, not to the CIO. I will hoard my power like a miser, resisting every effort to drain it away from me. I will then use my power, as I see fit. I mean to live my life an obedient man, but obedient to God, subservient to the wisdom of my ancestors; never to the authority of political truths arrived at yestereday at the voting booth.

Up From Liberalism, William F. Buckley Jr.

I suppose the only thing I might change from this quote is during these times GM is the state.