Insanity on college campuses

[1972Shocker]

Moved. Intended for a different thread.

@RoyalShock: I had intended what I had posted here for another thread in this forum. I thought I had copied it. Then I deleted it here. Went the other forum to post it and found out I had failed to copy it. So I either need to rewrite it or forget it. Mostly likely I will just forget it but thanks for the thanks.

[Boss1786]

The roommate's action is questionable, but being the son of the coach may have felt obligated. The tennis coach can't be blamed (his hands were tied). That Title IX office needs to be completely gutted again, like it was a couple of years ago after scrutiny that they weren't aggressive enough in their investigations. They were obviously on a crusade and was not about to let the truth or common sense get in their way.

Seems a little strong not having seen what is shown on the video. Many times victims will cover for their loved ones even though they were wronged. Maybe the university's concern is that if they don't take action, the content of the video will support other's opinion that they should have taken action. We DO live in an age of damned if you do, damned if you don't... especially in this day of lawsuits.

I think I will wait for more information before I pick a side.

[RoyalShock]

Seems a little strong not having seen what is shown on the video. Many times victims will cover for their loved ones even though they were wronged. Maybe the university's concern is that if they don't take action, the content of the video will support other's opinion that they should have taken action. We DO live in an age of damned if you do, damned if you don't... especially in this day of lawsuits.

I think I will wait for more information before I pick a side.

We have the impassioned word of the alleged victim. That should be enough. Furthermore, there was no evidence to corroborate what the eye-witness says he saw (her head being slammed back against the wall). That brings the credibility of the witness into question. The other witness changed his story and now won't talk about it. The Title IX office won't release the surveillance video to the alleged victim or alleged perpetrator. Every single fact in this story points to an emotional and political witch-hunt where the facts have been completely ignored.

[1972Shocker]

Here is recent report on the status of the "case".

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-matt-boermeester-petition-20170822-story.html

Clearly somebody is not being totally honest. Seems like USC could clarify this relatively easily if they would provide the evidence that they say they have and perhaps they will at the appropirate time.

At that point either USC will be exonerated or, if not, young Mr. Boermeester might move on a bit richer.

Regardless of which side is proven to be correct, assuming that happens, the lack of due process is somewhat concerning although he was not criminally charged but a sense of fairness would seem to call for a more open and deliberate process which I guess still might happen.

[wufan]

Regardless of the outcome of this case, the concern is whether or not a student should face disciplinary action without opportunity for appeal. That seems rough for a student in a country where we value the statute of "presumed innocent". On the other hand, does a student, where he/she is a patron, have the right to an education (pending due process), or, like in a place of business, does the school have the right to dismiss the student/employee under any grounds seen fit?

[Boss1786]

We have the impassioned word of the alleged victim. That should be enough.

In my experiences, impassioned statements doesn't always equal truth. Many liars become impassioned as the try to sell the lie. You are free to believe as you wish but I am still reserving judgement. My belief is that the university has seen the video and feels comfortable that their actions will stand the test of litigation...otherwise they wouldn't have done it. And if not, I am sure that the University's legal team will review video/case and recommend a reversal, a public apology and probably settlement if it doesn't.

Maybe I am wrong but I am not ready to jump on the "Bad University" bandwagon just yet

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

In my experiences, impassioned statements doesn't always equal truth. Many liars become impassioned as the try to sell the lie. You are free to believe as you wish but I am still reserving judgement. My belief is that the university has seen the video and feels comfortable that their actions will stand the test of litigation...otherwise they wouldn't have done it. And if not, I am sure that the University's legal team will review video/case and recommend a reversal, a public apology and probably settlement if it doesn't.

Maybe I am wrong but I am not ready to jump on the "Bad University" bandwagon just yet

Fair I guess. Just worth nothing that this isn't an impassioned accused claiming innocence. This is an impassioned "victim" claiming no crime (and police filed no charges).

There better be some strong evidence to warrant a university proceeding like this. Even more, I find it rather concerning that more and more, universities are taking it on themselves to act as the judicial system, only with a far more "guilty until proven innocent" approach and significantly less transparency.

[shockfan89_]

Very interesting that both of the people involved have viewed the video of the events and say that it corroborates their version of what happened, but the university will not release the video.

[jdmee]

A super quick google search found that even Bernie Sanders, who we consider to be far left, saying he's not part of ANTIFA efforts.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html

And for the record, Nazis are still much worse than Antifa. But once again, CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT NAZIS AND LIBERALS ARE NOT ANTIFA.

To be fair could you imagine the outrage that Trump would get by denouncing the Neo-Nazis by saying "I don't like it"?

Also, could you imagine if along with the denouncement was with the conditional statement "we are not as bad as ..."? as both you and jdshock has done.

Both extremes are as equally appalling. Neither one is much worse than the other.

[RoyalShock]

The insanity is back on WSU's campus.

Wichita State might punish fraternity

[WstateU]

The insanity is back on WSU's campus.

Wichita State might punish fraternity

I noticed this story over the weekend and couldn't figure out why the banner was offensive. What the heck is wrong with a little humor? I'm tired of this crap and I'm moving to Greece with Cle.

[wufan]

That's crazy!

[DUShock]

This is utter non-sense, even if it involves the PhiDelts. I am reminded of the battle Jordan Peterson is fighting in Canada on a similar insanity in our 51st state.

[ShockerPrez]

Perhaps they were just casting a line on the chance that not all those touring the sororities identify as female... Or is the university assuming the gender identity of those students?? Hmmmm. Im not sure which PC argument to prosecute here.

[RoyalShock]

It's as if they are saying these young women are completely beholden to the requests of their male peers, unable to resist.

I'm confused. Are these smart, intelligent, powerful young women capable of making their own choices or fragile snowflakes needing a safe space from the patriarchy?