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**CBB_Fan** · August 4, 2018, 05:45 PM

Anyone remember April 21st, 2016?

"The campaign is evolving and transitioning, and so am I," he [Trump] told the Wall Street Journal. "I'll be more effective and more disciplined."

Trump put it another way during a Thursday morning appearance on NBC's Today Show. "I will be so presidential," he said, "you will be so bored. You'll say, 'Can't he have a little more energy?'"

I remember months ago people were calling a single semi-sane piece a sign Trump was improving or was already presidential. Even his most ardent supporter wouldn't call his conduct presidential anymore. He spends his days getting into stupid Twitter wars, doing things no President before or after would stoop to.

For instance, here is Trump on Lebron:

"LeBron is a great player and a great guy!" (5/16/2013)
"Lebron James was just interviewed by the dumbest man on television, Don Lemon. He made Lebron look smart, which isn’t easy to do. I like Mike!" (8/3/2018)

The swing in opinion came after Lebron made a few anti-Trump statements in his interview, which largely focused on Lebron literally opening an elementary school for at-risk children. Lebron's said he felt Trump was "using sports to kinda divide us." That's it. That was enough to prompt the President of the country to completely change his opinion on Lebron and feel it was worth his time to call out an interview that was, again, largely about opening an elementary school in Akron.

I'm glad I've never had to justify support for such a tacky, classless person. When I see vulgar behavior I feel that there is nothing stopping me from saying "That isn't acceptable." I wish this was true for everyone.

**Shockm** · August 4, 2018, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Awesome Sauce Malone View Post

Here's the deal - Hispanics are largely conservative Very religious, very do things by the bible, anti abortion etc theres also a very large percentage that would make you (I definitely put you in the percentage of "Extreme" Conservatives) blush. Family first individuals who often have a very strong family core and so forth.

But even those individuals (legal and/or illegal) arent going to sit around and be called a bunch of names and blamed for every single problem in this country. There are a group of people who right now think its okay to demand the citizenship papers of every brown person they see (im still unsure if thats a large or small group)People arent going to sit around for that.

You can try to deny he said this or that then your going to get tired of it then you move on to "well what he actually meant was" No one is going to be able to change your mind on it. But this asshole is literally turning away voters because of their rhetoric. But whatever I wasted 5 minutes of my life writing this. Youre welcome.

I know several legal hispanics and your characterization is wrong. They tend to be supportive of Trump most of the time, especially on his immigration policies. They don't understand why they and others have come to the U.S. legally and illegals are allowed to come ahead of others who are trying to do it the right way.

You are right on your other takes on them. They are conservative, Christians who take their faith seriously. I've never heard from them that they are tired of being asked for their papers. Do you know that if your car is struck by an illegal (no insurance), that you will have to pay for the damage? I have known people who this has happened to. I wish police would ask for papers of the right people, but how do you know who shouldn't be on the street with our inconsistent laws. It defies logic.

**C0|dB|00ded** · August 4, 2018, 06:45 PM

And in formal response to: "He spends his days getting into stupid Twitter wars, doing things no President before or after would stoop to."

He's managed to do a few other things at the same time...

Media blackout: Trump’s 60-point accomplishment list of ‘American Greatness’ - Washington Examiner

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/media-blackout-trumps-60-point-accomplishment-list-of-american-greatness

The White House Monday declared President Trump’s first 500 days a celebration of “American Greatness,” dishing a 60-point list of major accomplishments that tops those of most recent presidents. But as in the past when they sought to blow their horn, the liberal media remained focused on his legal issues including the administration’s claim --

In his first 500 days in office President Donald J. Trump has achieved results domestically and internationally for the American people.

Since taking office, President Trump has strengthened American leadership, security, prosperity, and accountability.

After 500 days, the results are clear: the American economy is stronger, American workers are experiencing more opportunities, confidence is soaring, and business is booming.

President Trump has re-asserted American leadership on the world stage, secured vital investments in our military, and stood up against threats to our national security.

President Trump has put the American people first and made government more accountable.

AMERICA’S ECONOMY IS STRONGER: The American economy is stronger today and American workers are better off thanks to President Trump’s pro-growth agenda.

Nearly 3 million jobs have been created since President Trump took office.

304,000 manufacturing jobs have been created since President Trump took office, and manufacturing employment stands at its highest level since December 2008.

337,000 construction jobs have been created since President Trump took office, and construction employment stands at its highest level since June 2008.

Under President Trump, the unemployment rate has dropped to 3.8, the lowest rate since April 2000, and job openings have reached 6.6 million, the highest level recorded.

67 percent of Americans believe now is a good time to find a quality job, according to Gallup.

Only under President Trump have more than 50 percent of Americans believed it is a good time to find a quality job since Gallup began asking the question 17 years ago.

President Trump prioritized job training and workforce development to empower workers to seize more opportunities, signing an Executive Order to expand apprenticeship opportunities.

President Trump has restored confidence in the American economy, with confidence among both consumers and businesses reaching historic highs.

Consumer confidence in current conditions has reached a 17-year high, according to the Conference Board.

Optimism among manufacturers has hit record highs under President Trump, according to the National Association of Manufacturers.

Small business optimism has sustained record-high levels under President Trump according to the National Federation of Independent Business.

President Trump signed the historic Tax Cuts and Jobs Act into law, cutting taxes for American families and making American business more competitive.

American families received $3.2 trillion in gross tax cuts and saw the child tax credit double.

The top corporate tax rate was lowered from 35 percent to 21 percent so American businesses could be more competitive.

President Trump has rolled back unnecessary job-killing regulations beyond expectations.

In 2017, President Trump far exceeded his promise to eliminate regulations at a two-to-one ratio, issuing 22 deregulatory actions for every new regulatory action.

The Administration rolled back rules and regulations harming farmers and energy producers, such as the Waters of the United States Rule and the Clean Power Plan.

Regional and community banks and credit unions got relief after President Trump signed legislation reducing harmful requirements imposed by the Dodd-Frank Act.

Since taking office, President Trump has advanced free, fair, and reciprocal trade deals that protect American workers, ending decades of destructive trade policies.

Days after taking office, the President withdrew the United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiations and agreement.

President Trump’s Administration is working to defend American intellectual property from China’s unfair practices through a range of actions.

The President improved the KORUS trade agreement with the Republic of Korea, which will allow more U.S. automobile exports to South Korea with lower tariffs and increase U.S. pharmaceutical access to South Korea.

American agriculture has gained access to new markets under President Trump.

AMERICA IS WINNING ON THE WORLD STAGE: President Trump has re-asserted American leadership on the world stage and is achieving results for the American people.

President Trump followed through on his promise to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

President Trump ordered an end to United States participation in the horrible Iran deal and immediately began the process of re-imposing sanctions that had been lifted or waived.

The President has taken action to confront aggression by Iran and its proxies.

The Department of the Treasury has issued a range of sanctions targeting Iranian activities and entities, including the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force.

Under President Trump, the United States has led an unprecedented global campaign to achieve the peaceful denuclearization of the Korean peninsula.

President Trump’s leadership has contributed to the return of 17 Americans held overseas.

In May 2018 alone, Venezuela released one American and North Korea released three Americans who came home to the United States.

The President has secured historic increases in defense funding in order to rebuild our Nation’s military with the resources they need, after years of harmful sequester.

President Trump signed legislation to provide $700 billion in defense spending for fiscal year (FY) 2018 and $716 billion for FY 2019.

The United States has worked with international allies to decimate ISIS.

President Trump ordered strikes against Syria in response to the regime’s use of chemical weapons in April 2017 and April 2018.

The Trump Administration has imposed a range of sanctions on the Maduro dictatorship in Venezuela, including sanctions targeting Maduro and other senior government officials.

AMERICA’S COMMUNITIES ARE SAFER AND MORE SECURE: President Trump has worked to secure our borders, enforce our immigration laws, and protect the safety and security of American communities.

Despite limited resources and obstruction from Congress, President Trump has worked to take control of our border and enforce our immigration laws.

President Trump has called on Congress to provide the resources needed to secure our borders and close loopholes that prevent immigration laws from being fully enforced.

President Trump authorized the deployment of the National Guard to help secure our borders.

President Trump’s Administration has carried out immigration enforcement efforts based on the rule of law.

From the start of President Trump’s Administration to the end of FY 2017, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) made 110,568 arrests of illegal aliens.

Arrests made in this timeframe represented a 42 percent increase from the same timeframe in FY 2016.

Of the 110,568 arrests made, 92 percent had a criminal conviction, pending criminal charge, were an ICE fugitive, or had a reinstated final order of removal.

President Trump has made clear that his Administration will continue to combat the threat of MS-13 in order to protect communities from the horrendous violence the gang has spread.

In 2017, the Department of Justice worked with partners in Central America to file criminal charges against more than 4,000 members of MS-13.

The Trump Administration has cracked down on the import and distribution of illegal drugs in order to stop them from reaching our communities and causing even more devastation.

As of April 2018, U.S. Border Patrol has seized 284 pounds of fentanyl in FY 2018, already surpassing the total of 181 pounds seized in FY 2017.

The President has launched a nationwide effort to fight the opioid crisis, which has devastated communities across America.

The President’s Opioid Initiative seeks to reduce drug demand, cut off the flow of illicit drugs, and save lives by expanding treatment opportunities.

President Trump signed an omnibus spending bill which provides nearly $4 billion to address the opioid epidemic.

The bill included $1 billion for grants focused on the hardest hit States and Tribes and provided funding for a public-private research partnership on pain and addiction.

AMERICA’S GOVERNMENT IS MORE ACCOUNTABLE: Since taking office, President Trump has worked to ensure government is more accountable to the American people.

President Trump has confirmed the most circuit court judges of any President in their first year, and secured Justice Neil Gorsuch’s confirmation to the United States Supreme Court.

President Trump has signed legislation to bring more accountability to the Department of Veterans Affairs and provide our veterans with more choice in the care they receive.

President Trump signed the Department of Veterans Affairs Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act of 2017, improving processes for addressing misconduct.

President Trump signed the VA Choice and Quality Employment Act into law, authorizing $2.1 billion in additional funds for the Veterans Choice Program.

President Trump successfully eliminated the penalty for Obamacare’s burdensome individual mandate.

The President’s Administration is seeking to provide more affordable health coverage and broader access to affordable alternatives to Obamacare plans.

President Trump has released a blueprint to lower drug prices for Americans.

President Trump has ensured that the religious liberties and conscience of Americans are protected and respected by the Federal government.

President Trump signed an Executive Order to protect the free speech and religious liberties of groups such as the Little Sisters of the Poor.

The Department of Justice issued guidance to all executive agencies on protecting religious liberty in federal programs.

As a private businessman, Trump was known for completing projects ahead of schedule and under budget. It looks like he's brought those same qualifications to the White House. Who knew that an elected president with tangible experience surviving and succeeding in the greatest free market in the world would be a smashing success in the Oval Office compared to your typical broke-dick adjunct law professor with a penchant for organizing protests.

The voters knew...

T

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**wufan** · August 4, 2018, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by CBB_Fan View Post

Anyone remember April 21st, 2016?

I remember months ago people were calling a single semi-sane piece a sign Trump was improving or was already presidential. Even his most ardent supporter wouldn't call his conduct presidential anymore. He spends his days getting into stupid Twitter wars, doing things no President before or after would stoop to.

For instance, here is Trump on Lebron:

"LeBron is a great player and a great guy!" (5/16/2013)
"Lebron James was just interviewed by the dumbest man on television, Don Lemon. He made Lebron look smart, which isn’t easy to do. I like Mike!" (8/3/2018)

The swing in opinion came after Lebron made a few anti-Trump statements in his interview, which largely focused on Lebron literally opening an elementary school for at-risk children. Lebron's said he felt Trump was "using sports to kinda divide us." That's it. That was enough to prompt the President of the country to completely change his opinion on Lebron and feel it was worth his time to call out an interview that was, again, largely about opening an elementary school in Akron.

I'm glad I've never had to justify support for such a tacky, classless person. When I see vulgar behavior I feel that there is nothing stopping me from saying "That isn't acceptable." I wish this was true for everyone.

Trump says dumb things. Stop signs are red.

All I can really say is, OK...now what.

**CBB_Fan** · August 4, 2018, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post

As a private businessman, Trump was known for completing projects ahead of schedule and under budget. It looks like he's brought those same qualifications to the White House. Who knew that an elected president with tangible experience surviving and succeeding in the greatest free market in the world would be a smashing success in the Oval Office compared to your typical broke-dick adjunct law professor with a penchant for organizing protests.

As a private businessman, Trump was known for not paying his workers, associating with mobsters, and breaking the law. Oh, and going deep into debt, but luckily there existed a country called Russia that helped him get back to solvency.

**wufan** · August 4, 2018, 08:08 PM

NM

**ShockingButTrue** · August 4, 2018, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by Awesome Sauce Malone View Post

Here's the deal - Hispanics are largely conservative Very religious, very do things by the bible, anti abortion etc theres also a very large percentage that would make you (I definitely put you in the percentage of "Extreme" Conservatives) blush. Family first individuals who often have a very strong family core and so forth.

But even those individuals (legal and/or illegal) arent going to sit around and be called a bunch of names and blamed for every single problem in this country. There are a group of people who right now think its okay to demand the citizenship papers of every brown person they see (im still unsure if thats a large or small group)People arent going to sit around for that.

You can try to deny he said this or that then your going to get tired of it then you move on to "well what he actually meant was" No one is going to be able to change your mind on it. But this asshole is literally turning away voters because of their rhetoric. But whatever I wasted 5 minutes of my life writing this. Youre welcome.

Good sir, I have had the pleasure to engage in fellowship dinners with my brown skinned Brothers and Sisters, conservatively, oh, 427 times. As stated that's a "conservative" number, because I don't want to overstate it too much -ahem-. It's truly closer to 1,000 or 2,000. What a joy and honor it's always been. So I'll refrain from impertinent comments. Really.

If I was guilty of anything in my original post it was of being a little cheeky. I confess to that. Going further, what you didn't comprehend, was that I referred to the "animal" statement, and CNN's subsequent reaction to it. That would be the MS13 thugs that are coming across the border. Do you support open borders? Keep it civil in your reply ok? We can debate that one.

I'm happy at any chance I get to stand by my brown-skinned brothers in support of our President of the USA. That was my true point. Look a few posts before the one which you hysterically felt the need to lecture me on. It credited the black leaders who stated the President is the most black-friendly President is some time. Maybe ever. You look it up and get back with me. I can handle it. It might have appeared a little too cheeky too, but wasn't meant to be. But I'm not surprised because if it's one thing progressives/liberals have proven time and again, it's the inability to take things at face value, i.e, they're veritable mind readers.

But yes, thank you for your hysterical over-the-top reply to let me know, without -ahem- guessing, your delusional, misguided, ill-informed, "posture" on those who voted for Trump. You're one person I'll surely be less cheeky with in the future so you won't have to guess what I really am trying to say. May you not be doomed to too many more sleepless nights of wondering how he could have possibly beaten that haggered dipsomaniac of a candidate than you've already had. Here's a hint: It wasn't racism, and it wasn't the russians. A little less cnn would do you some good.

Sorry to keep it so short, but I have a life to live. Looking forward to hearing from you again.

**ShockingButTrue** · August 5, 2018, 08:23 PM

Does that ring a bell?

**wufan** · August 5, 2018, 08:44 PM

Kind of an observation, not sure if it’s valid or what it means. The blue areas of the country are the areas where racism is a hot button issue, or where actual racism still exists in large scale.

**wufan** · August 5, 2018, 08:54 PM

I’m going to go back to CBB_Fan’s original comments from earlier because it never quite materialized into a conversation. Trump says stupid things. We would all be better off if he didn’t. This is true and obvious. So, my question is, why point it out? This isn’t the argument. The argument for/against Trump is; are his policies good for the country? If so, then why would anyone put all their concerns into his speech if his speech doesn’t lead to bad policy? Perhaps one thinks that his rhetoric is so bad that it undermines his policies. If so, that is a value judgement and so be it. This wasn’t the argument made, and although there isn’t much to say about value judgements due to their subjectivity, it would at least be valid. My concern with the topic was that CBB_Fan’s motive was to either call someone out for being an asshole should they defend some of Trump’s words, or call them unethical for ignoring his speech in favor of policy. I don’t believe these are the only two choices, and hopefully CBB_Fan doesn’t either.

**WstateU** · August 5, 2018, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by wufan View Post

I’m going to go back to CBB_Fan’s original comments from earlier because it never quite materialized into a conversation. Trump says stupid things. We would all be better off if he didn’t. This is true and obvious. So, my question is, why point it out? This isn’t the argument. The argument for/against Trump is, are his policies good for the country? If so, then why would anyone put all their concerns into his speech if his speech doesn’t lead to bad policy? Perhaps one thinks that his rhetoric is so bad that it undermines his policies. If so, that is a value judgement and so be it. This wasn’t the argument made, and although there isn’t much to say about value judgements do to their subjectivity, it would at least be valid. My concern with the topic was that CBB_Fan’s motive was to either call someone out for being an asshole should they defend some of Trump’s words, or call them unethical for ignoring his speech in favor of policy. I don’t believe these are the only two choices, and hopefully CBB_Fan doesn’t either.

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**ShockTalk** · August 5, 2018, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by wufan View Post

I’m going to go back to CBB_Fan’s original comments from earlier because it never quite materialized into a conversation. Trump says stupid things. We would all be better off if he didn’t. This is true and obvious. So, my question is, why point it out? This isn’t the argument. The argument for/against Trump is; are his policies good for the country? If so, then why would anyone put all their concerns into his speech if his speech doesn’t lead to bad policy? Perhaps one thinks that his rhetoric is so bad that it undermines his policies. If so, that is a value judgement and so be it. This wasn’t the argument made, and although there isn’t much to say about value judgements due to their subjectivity, it would at least be valid. My concern with the topic was that CBB_Fan’s motive was to either call someone out for being an asshole should they defend some of Trump’s words, or call them unethical for ignoring his speech in favor of policy. I don’t believe these are the only two choices, and hopefully CBB_Fan doesn’t either.

I believe Trump's words "trump" his policies in the minds of many, if not most. Those words get the limelight and not because the press and the left make them a big deal, but because Trump makes them a big deal. Those words are easy targets and, yes, they do undermine his policies. It seems the man cannot help himself. He is the leader of this country and he continually spits in the wind. Why??

It causes people to question his capabilities, sincerity, and smarts (thus his policies). Not just those who oppose those policies, but many in the middle as well. He acts worse than a bratty little (rich) kid, so why would one think he should be taken seriously or that what he does is any better than what he says. He's a walking facepalm. His opposition doesn't have to continually work at finding problems with his policies because he is always giving them an out by making a stupid tweet or a hateful comment. One has to wonder just how effective he could be and how difficult it could be for opponents if he could simply control his pie hole. Even the First Lady is countering him more and more.

**wufan** · August 6, 2018, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by ShockTalk View Post

I believe Trump's words "trump" his policies in the minds of many, if not most. Those words get the limelight and not because the press and the left make them a big deal, but because Trump makes them a big deal. Those words are easy targets and, yes, they do undermine his policies. It seems the man cannot help himself. He is the leader of this country and he continually spits in the wind. Why??

It causes people to question his capabilities, sincerity, and smarts (thus his policies). Not just those who oppose those policies, but many in the middle as well. He acts worse than a bratty little (rich) kid, so why would one think he should be taken seriously or that what he does is any better than what he says. He's a walking facepalm. His opposition doesn't have to continually work at finding problems with his policies because he is always giving them an out by making a stupid tweet or a hateful comment. One has to wonder just how effective he could be and how difficult it could be for opponents if he could simply control his pie hole. Even the First Lady is countering him more and more.

I didn’t vote for Trump because of the things he said during the election. Walls and tariffs were not my main issues and I found him to be a bit of a joke. Since then, I’ve been a fan of most of his policies. I haven’t seen where his words have caused issues that counteract the policies to such a degree that it has nullified the benefit. I may feel different if some on the left hadn’t previously called Romney, McCain, and Bush racists or compared them to Hitler. It seems that regardless of what is said, some believe that the Republicans are Nazis. Until that attitude changes, I’m not going to be concerned by rhetoric.

**C0|dB|00ded** · August 6, 2018, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by CBB_Fan View Post

As a private businessman, Trump was known for not paying his workers, associating with mobsters, and breaking the law. Oh, and going deep into debt, but luckily there existed a country called Russia that helped him get back to solvency.

^^^ Fake News! LOL!

https://www.weeklystandard.com/ethan-epstein/trumps-business-success-is-more-than-marginal

And it’s simply not the case that Trump is “fair-to-middling” at running his business. In fact, Trump’s business is insanely profitable. According to that Businessweek story, the Trump Organization brought in about $605 million in revenue last year, and managed to clear somewhere between $275 and $325 million in profit. That’s a phenomenally high profit margin (which, of course, is a key sign of the health of a business). Trump’s approximately 50 percent margin means his company is more profitable than Pfizer, Gazprom, and Hyundai – all the most profitable companies in their respective industries. Trump’s company even has higher margins than Apple. Who knew? It turns out Steve Jobs was only “fair-to-middling” at running a business.

^^^ Real News!

T

...:cool:

**ShockCrazy** · August 6, 2018, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post

^^^ Fake News! LOL!

https://www.weeklystandard.com/ethan-epstein/trumps-business-success-is-more-than-marginal

^^^ Real News!

T

...:cool:

Ah yes, lets take the word of the CFO of the privately held Trump Organization for the genuine financial status of the company. FYI I'm the recently appointed CFO of ShockCrazy Corp. we just cleared 400m ALL profit. Oh you want financial disclosures? Nah too bad.

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