Jeb Bush or Donald Trump?

[MoValley John]

I thought the question was pretty silly when Kerry ran. But no, I'm not a Catholic, I'm very close to a latina who goes to church at least 3 times a week and regularly sprinkles me with holy water. She's tried to convert me, but I really don't go to church, primarily because there are too many people who DO go, then do very unchristian-like things once they leave the church (or maybe while they're inside the church but not during services). I saw too much of that when I was very active in my church, got tired of it and quit going to church.

In other words, I'm most probably an agnostic who views many people who profess themselves as 'deeply religious' to be somewhat hypocritical.

Your actions and words demonstrate your religion. If you follow what's in the bible and love your neighbor as yourself, follow the 10 commandments and so forth, you are a true Christian. If you consider yourself to be that way and actively practice your faith, I commend you.

Since you are not a practicing Catholic, I will give a simplistic, yet accurate answer. The birth control issue is an official church teaching. Humanae Vitae is the encyclical where the birth control teaching can be found. The Pope's opinion on the environment is just that, his opinion. It is not the official teaching of the church, it's just one guy's opinion.


I don't expect non-Catholics to understand, but no, not following the Pope's opinion on environmental issues is nothing like publicly disagreeing with church dogma.

You can put the popcorn away, now.

[MoValley John]

"these 15...........CRASH..........10, TEN commandments"

It's good to be the king!

[WuDrWu]

Since you are not a practicing Catholic, I will give a simplistic, yet accurate answer. The birth control issue is an official church teaching. Humanae Vitae is the encyclical where the birth control teaching can be found. The Pope's opinion on the environment is just that, his opinion. It is not the official teaching of the church, it's just one guy's opinion.


I don't expect non-Catholics to understand, but no, not following the Pope's opinion on environmental issues is nothing like publicly disagreeing with church dogma.

You can put the popcorn away, now.

I'm not a practicing Catholic and that wasn't hard to figure out at all. I suppose trying to understand @shocka khan:'s rant is where I tripped up. I forgot to put on my Diadem of Stupidity.

[shocka khan]

I'm not a practicing Catholic and that wasn't hard to figure out at all. I suppose trying to understand @shocka khan:'s rant is where I tripped up. I forgot to put on my Diadem of Stupidity.

It wasn't a rant. BTW, did you help Mark Twain write "The Great Jumping Frog of Caleveras County" or are you a drama queen, or do you have difficulty with your reading comprehension skills. It was a response.

Quit exaggerating (i.e. trolling).

[shocka khan]

Since you are not a practicing Catholic, I will give a simplistic, yet accurate answer. The birth control issue is an official church teaching. Humanae Vitae is the encyclical where the birth control teaching can be found. The Pope's opinion on the environment is just that, his opinion. It is not the official teaching of the church, it's just one guy's opinion.


I don't expect non-Catholics to understand, but no, not following the Pope's opinion on environmental issues is nothing like publicly disagreeing with church dogma.

You can put the popcorn away, now.

Geez, I was looking forward to the fun!!! Thanks for the clarification. Now I see your point.

[shocka khan]

I'm not a practicing Catholic and that wasn't hard to figure out at all. I suppose trying to understand @shocka khan:'s rant is where I tripped up. I forgot to put on my Diadem of Stupidity.

BTW, I think you consider yourself religious, but from my observation, you really aren't. If you were, you'd spend less time insulting people you disagree with. In other words, put your faith to work in your good works or you're a hypocrite.

[MoValley John]

It wasn't a rant. BTW, did you help Mark Twain write "The Great Jumping Frog of Caleveras County" or are you a drama queen, or do you have difficulty with your reading comprehension skills. It was a response.

Quit exaggerating (i.e. trolling).

Is exaggerating trolling?

What did a frog have to do with anything?

I was very clear and avoided confrontation in my explanation.

Is posting a question that is all strawman trolling?

Does the Pope troll?

What about Jeb Bush?

WuDrWu is not a troll.

Is Hillary overdue for a facelift?

Is Hillary still dating younger women?

[SB Shock]

BTW, I think you consider yourself religious, but from my observation, you really aren't. If you were, you'd spend less time insulting people you disagree with. In other words, put your faith to work in your good works or you're a hypocrite.

Saved by grace, Mr. 50 Ruble Army guy.

[pinstripers]

Hillary is still dating younger women because there are no women older than her.

[shocka khan]

I try and avoid political and religious discussions on here because they quickly turn into a rousing game of "I-Am-The-Smartest-SOB-In-The-Room." Few if any on here are equipped to play this game. Your observations of Doc are dead wrong.

Perhaps. But I remember one day he posted that he had run people who disagreed with him off the board.

I would consider that very un-Christian. Not much turn the other cheek there.

BTW, him admitting to that, as well as his insulting nature lends credence to my observation. Perhaps he could try to change what I have observed, but I'm pretty sure that a leopard doesn't chang their spots.

And SB Shock, yes, the New Testament says you can be saved by grace, but it doesn't give people a license to act however they want then ask for foregiveness later.

[shocka khan]

Is exaggerating trolling?

What did a frog have to do with anything?

I was very clear and avoided confrontation in my explanation.

Is posting a question that is all strawman trolling?

Does the Pope troll?

What about Jeb Bush?

WuDrWu is not a troll.

Is Hillary overdue for a facelift?

Is Hillary still dating younger women?

Yes, especially when its used in a tone that insults and demeans.

Frogs had nothing to do with nothing.

Yes, you were polite and respectful. I appreciated that.

No, not all strawmen troll.

I doubt it. The pope is a good leader in my opinion. Good leaders lead by example, even when no one is watching, so I don't think the Pope trolls.

Jeb is like Hillary. Except I hate Maw Bush more than Hillary.

Disagree. It depends on who you are. WuDrWu insults me constantly, that qualifies him for troll status.

Yes, Hillary is overdue for a facelift.

She could be. That might be one interesting marriage with Bill and Hillary chasing younger girls, but I can't say as I don't have proof. As Dr. Ruth said variety is the spice of life.

Hope you appreciated your answers, and I especially appreciate the civil tone we are striking today.

[MoValley John]

WuDrWu is not a troll. Might I add, in my opinion, you are making some strange choices with whom to get upset. You are picking fights with people that you can't beat. You are making your very own existence on the political forum harder on yourself than it needs to be. And it has nothing to do with your political ideology, it has everything to do with your approach.

As an example, Aargh and I have disagreed plenty on the political board, it has never deteriorated into name calling. I have grown to appreciate and respect his opinions. In the same vein, WuDrWu and I have disagreed, no labeling and no name calling. If you think fev and I agree on everything, you are crazy. But here again, these guys all get along nicely in the sandbox with a guy that lives within 15 miles of Creighton University. Oh my God!

Let me further explain how you get into trouble. I am hardly a right wing zealot. I lean right, but am pretty centrist. But, for what unknown reason, in the Hillary thread, you threw out tin foil hat in my direction. Who was labeling posters? Who was name calling posters? It wasn't me. I am not the message board police, I like a little piss and vinegar in my discussions, call me what you want, label me, I don't care. But while you seem to like to name call and label, you don't seem to consider your own actions. There is more name calling and trolling coming from you than anyone else. If you considered your actions, maybe your outcomes might change.

[ShockdaWorld]

WuDrWu is not a troll. Might I add, in my opinion, you are making some strange choices with whom to get upset. You are picking fights with people that you can't beat. You are making your very own existence on the political forum harder on yourself than it needs to be. And it has nothing to do with your political ideology, it has everything to do with your approach.

As an example, Aargh and I have disagreed plenty on the political board, it has never deteriorated into name calling. I have grown to appreciate and respect his opinions. In the same vein, WuDrWu and I have disagreed, no labeling and no name calling. If you think fev and I agree on everything, you are crazy. But here again, these guys all get along nicely in the sandbox with a guy that lives within 15 miles of Creighton University. Oh my God!

Let me further explain how you get into trouble. I am hardly a right wing zealot. I lean right, but am pretty centrist. But, for what unknown reason, in the Hillary thread, you threw out tin foil hat in my direction. Who was labeling posters? Who was name calling posters? It wasn't me. I am not the message board police, I like a little piss and vinegar in my discussions, call me what you want, label me, I don't care. But while you seem to like to name call and label, you don't seem to consider your own actions. There is more name calling and trolling coming from you than anyone else. If you considered your actions, maybe your outcomes might change.

"a guy that lives within 15 miles of Creighton University." Please be careful MoVal...would hate to see you become infected. ;)

[WuDrWu]

BTW, I think you consider yourself religious, but from my observation, you really aren't. If you were, you'd spend less time insulting people you disagree with. In other words, put your faith to work in your good works or you're a hypocrite.

Just to be clear, because YOU think I'm religious (I'll address that later) I can't insult anyone but since you're agnostic it's ok for you to hurl them?

I'm very close to a latina who goes to church at least 3 times a week and regularly sprinkles me with holy water. She's tried to convert me, but I really don't go to church, primarily because there are too many people who DO go, then do very unchristian-like things once they leave the church (or maybe while they're inside the church but not during services). I saw too much of that when I was very active in my church, got tired of it and quit going to church.

In other words, I'm most probably an agnostic who views many people who profess themselves as 'deeply religious' to be somewhat hypocritical.

Your actions and words demonstrate your religion. If you follow what's in the bible and love your neighbor as yourself, follow the 10 commandments and so forth, you are a true Christian. If you consider yourself to be that way and actively practice your faith, I commend you.

I believe you suffer (many of us do but I fear you've contracted a particularly strong version) from the ImTooSmartForMostEveryone Virus. But I do thank you for defining what a Christian is and for judging others, as well as, apparently, a plurality of folks with whom you attended services at some point.


For the record, I believe with all my heart and soul in God, his son Jesus and that He gave his only Son to atone for all our sins. As a child I was baptized in the Episcopal church, a branch a bit too close to Catholicism for my choosing. My beliefs in my faith are just that, mine. I force them on no one and I make no claims of being right or wrong, nor would I of others and their faith, unless and until their faith intrudes upon others.

There are hypocrites and bad people throughout the world. Everywhere. There are bad priests, cops and military. Anywhere the number gets large enough, you're going to have a least a few bad apples. But how someone can attend a church that isn't run by ISIS or the like and come away thinking that too many people are bad so they stop going AND pretty much denounce faith completely (and as a self proclaimed agnostic that's exactly what you've done) is beyond me and defies common sense and makes me wonder just what kind of person you are.

I will also tell you that, like yourself, I do not regularly attend a service. I am not as faithful as I believe God wants me to be and I do not believe I will be saved. I do try to live my life where when I am faced with a choice, I choose the welfare of others before my own more often than not, perhaps to a fault. I know my family thinks so lol.

I am also a man of MANY MANY flaws. I visit them daily. I hope I'm not as judgmental as it appears you are.

[WuDrWu]

I actually enjoy discussions regarding faith, and I love learning about parts of the faith where I'm uneducated. And I probably most enjoy discussions with Catholics.

But I can look at a man, someone I know, who is a regular at perpetual adoration, but who is also a known bookmaker and overall kind of scummy guy. I don't know how he thinks he'll be saved, just because he's Catholic. Maybe he will be and I'm all wet. I'm more than open to that possibility.

BUT that hardly makes the Catholic faith as a whole a bad religion. I would guess that a plurality of the decent and wonderful people I know are Catholics.