Jeb Bush or Gov. Christie 2016?

[wu_shizzle]

From what I've seen, Brownback will have an uphill battle trying to get elected in a state where a yellow dog could get elected (if it were a republican).

You mean the state that elected Kathleen Sebelius twice?

Umm, ok?

[Kung Wu]

Rick Perry is a fraud and a crook. If it weren't for the oil boom he would not have a shot at the national stage. He rates about the Brownback level in terms of competency. He deregulated tuition. It tripled in two years. He passed a bill to 'cut' property taxes, but anyone living in Dallas and Houston noticed. He's cut education to the point where our overall rating makes the Kansas students look like geniuses. Texas leads the US in job creation, but the problem is that a large percentage of jobs created outside the oil industry (and overall as well) are minimum-wage jobs.

Sometimes frauds and crooks get it right though and I am happy the guard is at the border. My perspective on this is more based on the fact that we should not be rewarding Mexican cartels for smuggling those people in here. Not only that, there are two additional aspects, one being that some of the jovens/jovencitas are MS-13 gang members (remember the Mariel boatlift) and the smugglers are moving humans and drugs in the same caravans, so if one gets caught, the other gets away. Myself, I would strongly consider turning joven/jovencita away with a tat that might be gang-related (MS-13 likes to tat themselves up to show their street cred and to let people know what 'organization' they belong to.

I also hate the fact that this illegal influx has tied up courts and resources to the point where legal immigration has stalled. I think people who are trying to follow the rules should not be penalized.

Voting for Perry would be akin to voting from Brownback for president. From what I've seen, Brownback will have an uphill battle trying to get elected in a state where a yellow dog could get elected (if it were a republican). I'm sure there are people who would like to see Brownback run for president, but I'd bet more people would rather not see him run for anything except maybe governor of Kansas.

I trust a Democrat's perspective on a conservative about as much as I trust a hungry python not to eat my pet hamster.

[Kung Wu]

He deregulated tuition. It tripled in two years.

Are you sure about that?

[shocka khan]

Kung, you were right. I found this:

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20120922-texas-college-tuition-up-55-percent-since-2003-deregulation-analysis-shows.ece

55 percent depends on your perspective. If you're using X=today, X/100=.55.

On the other hand, if you're using X=when tuition was deregulated, it has practically doubled. And it's still increasing faster than the rate of inflation, so it fixed nothing.

As far as Kathleen Sebilius goes, I thought she was a competent governor. I like Midwestern states. They're smart enough to not blindly vote for the guy with an 'R'. That's one of the things I like about Midwestern states. They don't just vote for R's, if they get too far out of line they get fired. That does not happen in Texas.

[shocka khan]

So, here's my question. Tea Partiers supposedly don't like insiders. Then why would they consider voting for a person who has been governor for 16 years?


Our highway system is a wreck. Rick tried to privatize it (to a Spanish company). I would imagine most Kansas would object to that. Not only did he try to outsource, he was going to give the Spanish company the ability to condemn just about anyone's land in the name of imminent domain, but I digress. Just look at this:

http://smmercury.com/2014/05/20/texas-deteriorating-highway-system-about-to-take-center-stage/

By the way, many of us did not forget his privatization scheme:

http://corridornews.blogspot.com/2009/09/toll-road-boondoggle-scheme-still-dogs.html

And what is the definition of an insider? A lobbyist, perhaps? Check, Rick's sister is a lobbyist for private hospitals. See how she can profit off his Obamacare position:

http://www.texasobserver.org/obamacare-jags-rick-perrys-lobbyist-sister/

But don't take my word on it, he recently came in 4th the GOP strawpoll:

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2014/06/texas-gops-presidential-straw-poll-votes-being-tallied.html/

He started the a fund to research cancer treatments. Several of his donors received grants without submitting papers documenting the concept and validity of potential projects (does this sound wrong to you?). Why wasn't the fund more transparent, more accountable? Why have people been indicted? Why would a governor set up a fund to spend tax money on grants and allow his large donors to break the rules? How would you feel if Sam Brownback or Kathleen Sebilius did this:

http://www.dallasnews.com/investigations/20121117-states-cancer-fighting-agency-funded-projects-of-perry-campaign-contributor.ece

So if you're a tea partier, why would you vote for him? If you're a middle-of-the-road republican why would you vote for him? If you overlook his ethics, then why shouldn't Chris Christie get a pass. You need someone like him or Jeb Bush or you'll see 8 years of Hillary. I'm not sure I want that any more than you do

Last, I can post many more references, Rick Perry has been ethically challenged almost since the get-go. It's not hard to find material documenting how 'pay-for-play' works.

[shocka khan]

I'm sure everyone knows by now that RP was indicted today for 2 felonies. One carries a sentence of 5 to 99, the other 3 to 5.

According to the facts of the case. the problem started when he tried to zero out the Travis County Public Inetgrity. For those not aware, she was arrested for a DUI, the cops caught her in a church parking lot with an open bottle of vodka. There is a lot of footage on the internet that show her what an @$$ she made out of herself. I don't support her and I think there should have been an accommodation made for her to step aside, but the fact remains that there are a lot of questions around how Rick Perry handled the whole CPRIT fund and how his donors got several large grants without having any studies to back up their proposals.

In my opinion, Rick Perry would not make a good president. Too many questionable dealings (like this). I'm hoping that this disqualifies him as a presidential candidate. I don't think sending him to jail will help anything, but it would probably be best if he drops out. The entire republican party in Texas will be tainted by the CPRIT scandal, and the more this case continues, the more unflattering and questionable facts will emerge.

[WuDrWu]

The indictment is a joke and completely politically motivated. That being said, I wouldn't vote for Gov Perry anyway.

One thing for sure that we learned today. Governor Nixon from Missouri, a hopeful challenger to Hilary for the Democratic nomination for President, can hang up his career aspirations for the near future. His handling of the Ferguson, MO disaster was a fiasco before today, and a mind blowing eff up this afternoon. He couldn't get elected as Class Treasurer at this point.

[SB Shock]

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[MoValley John]

The indictment is a joke and completely politically motivated. That being said, I wouldn't vote for Gov Perry anyway.

One thing for sure that we learned today. Governor Nixon from Missouri, a hopeful challenger to Hilary for the Democratic nomination for President, can hang up his career aspirations for the near future. His handling of the Ferguson, MO disaster was a fiasco before today, and a mind blowing eff up this afternoon. He couldn't get elected as Class Treasurer at this point.

I'm not a Rick Perry supporter, but when even most liberal journalists are labeling the indictments as nothing more than Texas Democrat politics, I have a hard time seeing how it will hurt him. In fact, having a prosecutor attested for drunk driving and refusing to resign is the real issue. This could all backfire on the Democrats, as they will be seen in a very poor light when this all plays out.

[shoxilla]

I'm not a Rick Perry supporter, but when even most liberal journalists are labeling the indictments as nothing more than Texas Democrat politics, I have a hard time seeing how it will hurt him. In fact, having a prosecutor attested for drunk driving and refusing to resign is the real issue. This could all backfire on the Democrats, as they will be seen in a very poor light when this all plays out.

For the sake of our country's humor via The Daily Show & The Colbert Report among others, I hope Governor Ricky survives this case of self-induced political sabotage (oops he did it again). I agree with Dallas Morning News editorial basically assessing that if he'd actually governed instead of showboating for the Tea Party, he wouldn't have gotten himself into this mess.

I am afraid his campaign is a case of , in his own words, "Adios Mofo".

[wsushox1]

People are actually going to vote for Brownback this year?

[SB Shock]

People are actually going to vote for Brownback this year?

That is kind of out of left field....

[wu_shizzle]

People are actually going to vote for Brownback this year?

What has he done to show that Kansas isn't on the right track?

Are you really going to vote for the guy who thinks Obama's done such a good job, we should bring his policies to Kansas?

[wsushox1]

That is kind of out of left field....

How is that?

There's was a discussion on him in this thread 2-3 weeks ago.

[wsushox1]

What has he done to show that Kansas isn't on the right track?

Are you really going to vote for the guy who thinks Obama's done such a good job, we should bring his policies to Kansas?

I'm employed and my 529 is doing well.

Obama's foreign policy leaves much to be desired, I can't complain overall though. If that's short-sighted and a self-centered perspective so be it, but I don't think it's much different than many politicians.