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  • Back the truck up. I didn't say the German people never knew about the concentration camps, or the rounding up of the Jews, or any of that. I'm not even saying there wasn't suspicion by some of the population, I'm talking about widespread knowledge of the genocide--quite a difference. Just as there are sources that speculate the German people did know of the genocide, there are sources which contend that they didn't. I tend to believe the later considering the extent the regime went to try to keep it under wraps and the effectiveness of its attempts to sway public opinion. Without a doubt, there were small segments of the population that knew--but widespread knowledge is quite a reach and I am doubtful. Look at our own country--the Manhattan project is probably a great example of an enormous government program right under our noses that practically no one knew about. If you really want to hide something, it can be done, and the Nazi's could quite easily pull it off.

    Regarding Islam, I guess the only thing I can say at this point is if you don't have an Islamic friend, get one, and then let's talk about how awful human beings they are. If all you're going to look at are governments of Islamic countries and Islamic extremist groups, and all but ignore the behavior of Muslims inside your own country, then any attempt at bringing a little tolerance, open-mindedness, and understanding to this thread is rather pointless and a waste of time. It sounds like we have a lot of avid readers on this thread (which is awesome), so if I may, I'd like to recommend "The Illustrated World's Religions" by Huston Smith if you haven't already read it. It's an excellent introduction to many faiths around the world, and a perspective on things that's a little different from what one is used to never hurt anyone. You might even find that in the attempt to understand other faiths, you'll strengthen your own.
    "It's amazing to watch Ron slide into that open area, Fred will find him and it's straight cash homie."--HCGM

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    • Originally posted by MoValley John View Post
      On a serious note, it is really, painfully disappointing that people actually believe the bombing had anything to do with a movie clip posted on YouTube. I often really worry about the future Of America.
      Excellent Godwin's Law reset, MVJ.

      I share your concern, although I don't know what's more troubling, that people actually believe the video caused the uprising, that our own Government perpetuated (and to some extent continues to this day) that inane hypothesis as factual, or that our Government believes enough people in America are stupid enough to buy it, because it's obvious they knew otherwise. Sadly, I fear it's the latter.....and like you, I fear even more they are correct in their assumption.

      The White House has either handled this by blatantly lying to the citizens of this great country in a failed attempt to accomplish what I cannot say, or they are painfully ignorant and have little to no handle on world events. Either way, they should be replaced for failing to protect the American people, pure and simple.

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      • Originally posted by Rocky Mountain Shock View Post
        If all you're going to look at are governments of Islamic countries and Islamic extremist groups, and all but ignore the behavior of Muslims inside your own country, then any attempt at bringing a little tolerance, open-mindedness, and understanding to this thread is rather pointless and a waste of time.
        Please watch the video below taken at Dearborn Michigan.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg

        Where is the tolerance, understanding, and open mindedness from the U.S. Muslim community? Sorry but I must have missed it.

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        • Not that this will really come to light before the elections, but it seems that Ambassador Stevens was involved in weapons transfers to militant groups: http://www.businessinsider.com/us-sy...adists-2012-10
          "Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should accomplish with your ability."
          -John Wooden

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          • Originally posted by Ixiah View Post
            Please watch the video below taken at Dearborn Michigan.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg

            Where is the tolerance, understanding, and open mindedness from the U.S. Muslim community? Sorry but I must have missed it.
            US citizens are probably the most tolerant in the world. I've never met a foreign citizen that didn't have a real hatred for some other culture. We're so busy in this country telling others that they are intolerant that we don't even know what real intolerance looks like.
            Livin the dream

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            • Originally posted by wufan View Post
              US citizens are probably the most tolerant in the world. I've never met a foreign citizen that didn't have a real hatred for some other culture. We're so busy in this country telling others that they are intolerant that we don't even know what real intolerance looks like.
              Interesting observation.
              Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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              • Originally posted by Ixiah View Post
                Please watch the video below taken at Dearborn Michigan.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg

                Where is the tolerance, understanding, and open mindedness from the U.S. Muslim community? Sorry but I must have missed it.
                I'm a Christian who doesn't believe Islam is a "peaceful religion". That said, the Christians in that video were holding signs (you have to pick your spots to see exactly what they say) that anyone with a lick of sense knows will rile up Muslims, especially a mob of them. I wouldn't carry a sign that said "Proud to be an infidel" into a festival full of Muslims. It doesn't excuse the violent reaction they received, but I do think they were provoked to a degree.

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                • I watched another video of that Christian group (linked below). I understand where they are coming from, but I think the tactic of telling people they are full of hatred, that their prophet was a pervert, and need to repent, is only going to harden their hearts. I don't think they were their to "witness".

                  Bible Believers take action in Dearborn after several Christians get arrested and pushed around at the same Muslim festival the year before.

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                  • More breaking news on what Obama knew, when he knew it and the lack of any aid. This should be damning evidence, but it appears only Fox is covering it, so once again, Obama gets a free pass from the mainstream media.
                    There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.

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                      • Awesome. The story has been out on Fox for hours, there needs to be More coverage of this. In fact, every network, if they have any journalistic integrity, will be all over it.

                        This should push Trumps "bombshell" to the curb.
                        There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.

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                          • Washington Post is now weighing in:

                            There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.

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                            • Nothing more than silence from the Obama apologists.
                              There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.

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                                Like him or don't like him, the Donald is brilliant.

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