Obama vs Romney - Polling

[SB Shock]

No credible source of 48 hr warnings(There were no specific warnings) ,only extreme rightwing internet sites. National security briefing were done daily by electronic pad not in person, and guards were allowed to carry ammo.

from the WSJ -

"The deadly assault on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya on Sept. 11 was preceded by a succession of security lapses and misjudgments, compounded by fog-of-battle decisions, that raise questions about whether the scope of the tragedy could have been contained. U.S. officials issued alerts and ordered security precautions in neighboring Egypt ahead of protests and violence on Sept. 11, but largely overlooked the possibility of trouble at other diplomatic postings in the region."

The 48 hour quote comes from a British newspaper the Independant which has been denied by the State Dept.

Of course they would dispute it - because they are the ones looking bad. As more facts come out each day it clearer and clearer the State Department didn't do their job. This has been a security, leadership and intelligence debacle. Libyans and Egyptians are coming out publicly saying they gave up to 72 hours notice. Stevens diary is now out where he wrote of his concerns for his safety.

[SB Shock]

There is website that supposedly list the poll results with the data unskewed. If it is true, Romney will end up doing a Reagan on the democrats.

I'm not sure I buy in though - because these pollsters want to be right and if they miss this big, their credibility would take a hit.

http://www.unskewedpolls.com/

[wu_shizzle]

No friends of Republicans, Politico-George Washington University has a poll now saying Mitt Romney leads Obama by 14 points among the "middle-class".

Romney, by contrast, leads President Obama among middle class families not only in absolute terms, but also on issues. On every issue except one — ironically enough, the question of who would “stand up” for the middle class — Romney leads the president, in some cases by as many as 9 points (as he does on the economy). This juxtaposition suggests that the middle class trusts the President to fight for them, but don’t necessarily think he would win that fight, or prosecute it successfully.

[WuDrWu]

That could be an important point. Many middle class may think the President will "fight for them" but that group may believe they don't want to be defended. They may be saying "We don't want to be part of the entitlement class"...and if so, God Bless them. They may just be saving the country.

[Kung Wu]

One thing is very clear. Regardless who wins the debates, Obama is going to get a huge laughable bounce in the polls. It's gonna be funny.

[pinstripers]

you might very well be right, but there is nothing funny about it.

[tropicalshox]

Is there still a real race? I believe polls today are saying no.

[SB Shock]

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If the polls are correct, no there really isn't a race. I guess we will see if anything happens after the debates - but it looks like America is bound and determined to re-elect obama.

[DUShock]

I don't know if America is bound and determined but Romney has been a most ineffectual candidate. Paul Ryan on the other hand has stepped up and is doing yeoman's work as the attack dog (traditionally the VP candidates role) and he is inspiring crowds and energizing the base. If the RR ticket comes up short Ryan will have to walk a delicate balance to limit the potential damage of association with the rudderless Romney for a future run at POTUS. I think Ryan is smart enough and artful enough to pull it off. We will know soon enough...

[Kung Wu]

I don't know if America is bound and determined but Romney has been a most ineffectual candidate. Paul Ryan on the other hand has stepped up and is doing yeoman's work as the attack dog (traditionally the VP candidates role) and he is inspiring crowds and energizing the base. If the RR ticket comes up short Ryan will have to walk a delicate balance to limit the potential damage of association with the rudderless Romney for a future run at POTUS. I think Ryan is smart enough and artful enough to pull it off. We will know soon enough...

What are you talking about? Romney is drawing massive crowds everywhere he goes. While Obama is having a hard time filling smaller venues. Of course you won't hear about that from the mainstream media.

And the intentional oversampling of Democrats in these polls is probably on an order we have never seen before. How are you going to feel as a Democrat when Romney wins and you were given all
of this false proof as to why Obama was winning?

Yes this is going to be entertaining one way or the other.

[DUShock]

Ah, yes, a vast conspiracy...

[Capitol Shock II]

Maybe a media conspiracy? When Romney and Ryan do win, there will be riots in the street because the polls clearly showed Obama ahead and Romney stoll the election. Now that will make for an interesting November.

[SB Shock]

What are you talking about? Romney is drawing massive crowds everywhere he goes. While Obama is having a hard time filling smaller venues. Of course you won't hear about that from the mainstream media.

And the intentional oversampling of Democrats in these polls is probably on an order we have never seen before. How are you going to feel as a Democrat when Romney wins and you were given all
of this false proof as to why Obama was winning?

Yes this is going to be entertaining one way or the other.

If the polls predict Obama going to win and Romney pulls a landslide (or a win) it will be a very entertaining night. Almost as entertaining as in 1994 when republicans upset the democrats and took the house back. I spent all night surfing the network channels as it sunk in the magnitude of the loss. But I just wish I could see the hint of it somewhere.

[WuDrWu]

Combine that with stories that are now speculating that the Dems have a chance to take back the House (furthered by the comments from that idiot Pelosi) AND that the Senate is now close to out of reach for the GOP.

The Eagle ran an article a day or so ago commenting on the uphill battle the GOP now face to win the Senate. They listed North Dakota as a "toss up" state for the Senate.

North Dakota is NOT a toss up state in any way, shape or form. The Dems have NO chance to save that seat, NONE.

I would have found the article hilarious if it weren't so revolting.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

I've been disappointed with the race Romney has run so far. He's a very intelligent guy with a pretty decent track record, and I expected this race to be very reminiscent of Bush/Gore and go down to the wire and then some. But he's sure stumbled recently, and I think it has more to do with his campaign staff than him. His campaign seems very unorganized right now.