Russia-Ukraine War

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Cold's self served ban lasted about as long as a liberal celebs have lived "out of the country"

You confusing Shocker sports and NIL w/ political talk? Speaking of that, have we downgraded to intramurals yet?

Super excited today to read about long-range missiles hitting their targets in Russia! Love the 4D chess move that Biden is committing prior to Trump taking over. They are either working together, or Biden is tying Trump's Putin-loving hands. Win. Win. Win!

[ShockerFever]

Cold's self served ban lasted about as long as a liberal celebs have lived "out of the country"

That’s so funny because the analogy is perfect and it played out to a tee lol

[jdmee]

Cold's self served ban lasted about as long as a liberal celebs have lived "out of the country"

[Atxshoxfan]

Our resident genius has spoken. Now go out and think like him, you mindless twits.

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https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/ukraine-russia-war-11-18-24/index.html

US allows Ukraine to use long-range missile strikes into Russia


Excellent! "Sleepy Joe" not so sleepy here.

Preventing Ukraine from hitting the military bases Russia is attacking from is absurd.

Russia is NOT defending its sovereignty, it is invading a neighboring country.

UKRAINE is defending its sovereignty and is 100% in its rights to send a volley of missiles straight up the ass of Russia's military WHEREVER they may reside.

But... but... but... Trumper whine what??!! You don't mind Israel shooting inside Iran, but Ukraine can't???

Get your heads out of your collective hypocritical asses for a second and use your God-given brain.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrdmkxy7xmo

SMMFH...

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-news-trump-putin-zelensky-ceasefire-b2643577.html

Ukraine-Russia latest: Musk ‘joins Trump’s Zelensky call’ as Putin hails ‘courageous’ US election win


Elon Musk promised to support Volodymyr Zelensky with his Starlink satellites

Elon Musk reportedly jumped on Donald Trump’s first call with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky.

The move potentially reveals how high Trump values the Tesla billionaire and foreshadows a possible role in his administration.

Axios reported that the president-elect told Zelensky he will support Ukraine, but didn’t go into details on a 25 minute phonecall.

Musk also weighed in to say he will continue supporting Ukraine through his Starlink satellites - that have become pivotal to Ukraine forces communications on the frontline.

Musk had previously mocked Zelensky on social media for his attempts to fundraise for his nation’s war effort.

It came as Russian president Vladimir Putin congratulated Trump on winning the US election and said Moscow was ready for dialogue with him.

In his first remarks since Mr Trump’s win, Mr Putin said the president-elect had acted “like a real man” during an assassination attempt in Pennsylvania in July.

Mr Trump’s win has caused concern in Ukraine, where the Russian forces have made swift advances of late, over fears that he would curtail US support for Kyiv.

Really, really, REALLY hoping that Trump does the right thing here. This is a place where you flex America's muscle setting an example for the entire world. Elon can set up a Tesla factory in Russia or something... anything. Just please don't let those free people twist in the wind.

[SubGod22]

North Korea allegedly sending troops to fight in Ukraine/Western Russia

[N Crestway]

Putin has time and 3 to 1 manpower advantage

Not if NATO is directly involved. Of course that will not happen. In fact I'm not sure if NATO will adequately defend the Baltic states...Germany will have one brigade in Lithuania by 2027 which is sort of laughable.Technical superiority can offset Russia's manpower advantage to some degree, however.

We may also see a slow, measured escalation on the part of an "alliance of the willing" which would initially include support troops as Macron proposed this year, of course his coalition is on the way out. If the Christian Democrats take power in Germany next year, Germany may be more willing to lend this kind of support.

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Good. Looks like they don’t need any more help. Send them a bill for the tax payer money we sent them. [/Q
And while we are at it lets send a bill to Israel , Kuwait the Saudi Peninsula Japan Taiwan and South Korea. This is the kind of forward thinking that we need.

Not really.

It's a geopolitical privilege for us to be able to park our weaponry in other people's countries. We fight our battles on foreign lands because of it.

Can anybody in here complete a little imagination exercise on what Europe and the Middle-East would look like if we had never opened a single overseas base?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/us-military-bases-around-the-world-119321/

"the United States still maintains nearly 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad—from giant “Little Americas” to small radar facilities. Britain, France and Russia, by contrast, have about 30 foreign bases combined."

Think about this number for a moment. Now imagine if we never had had any of them. What does the world look like? Does America even exist?

We are the richest nation in the world - by far. We have profited greatly by maintaining some semblance of world order so that we can build our widgets and sell them.

Trump complaining about countries paying their "fair share" is so simplistic it isn't even amusing. But it resonates with the average voter, because they are thinking in 1 dimensional grocery store economics. Let's go to the customer service counter and get a refund on our overripe tomatoes.

When people say "voters are stupid", it isn't that wrong. Can any of us in here even begin to imagine the geopolitical strategies our county has been engaged in for the last 80 years? Clearly it's been to accumulate base positions around the globe.

So now this NYC "RE developer"/reality show host comes into the White House, barely reads his briefings, and he's going to go collect on all the "debt" these foreign countries owe us.

Simpleton.

Maybe they'll call our bluff and ask us to kindly leave their borders. Then watch what happens next...

[pogo]

[QUOTE=shock;n1453749]Good. Looks like they don’t need any more help. Send them a bill for the tax payer money we sent them. [/Q
And while we are at it lets send a bill to Israel , Kuwait the Saudi Peninsula Japan Taiwan and South Korea. This is the kind of forward thinking that we need.

[SB Shock]

Putin has believed all along that time is on Russia's side.

Putin has time and 3 to 1 manpower advantage

[SB Shock]

At minimum, maybe the UN?

The only one with any power is the UN Security Council; Russia has a standing veto...

Economic sanctions are imposed on Russia. Estimates were that Russia's economy would be in ruins 4-6 months after they were applied, but that didn't happen.

Europe could quit importing its energy needs, which would hurt Russia, but the people of Europe do not want to freeze so that probably won't happen...

Any other ideas? Ukraine could surrender.

[N Crestway]

I would say that Putin's playbook is Russia/Putin getting what it needs by way of a negotiated settlement but continues hybrid warfare against the West, then consolidates control over Belarus, and then uses a manufactured crisis to continue the conflict in Ukraine when the time is right. His likely successor will probably be in the same mold. The more powerful and determined Russia is perceived the more some NATO countries like Hungary and Slovakia are likely to create discord within NATO. It is naive to believe that a peace deal with Putin will last.

Putin has believed all along that time is on Russia's side.

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And the mechanism for this is what?

Putin not going to talk.

Putin made it clear what will stop HIS war - that he gets all the land he decided to take one day, killing tens of thousands of men, women, and children.

America profits greatly on a mostly peaceful world to trade with. Our military and economic interests are VERY closely aligned.

Morally I have a VERY big problem with Mr. Putin. The USA has a VERY big problem with dictators in nuclear countries deciding to invade their neighbors on a whim. Particularly neighbors who are/were close to becoming NATO members.

Those of you beating the Trumper drum, screeching about "NoT MuH WaR", need to read a history book, then a macroeconomics book. After that you need to work diligently to undo the indoctrination that urges you to support immoral, un-American policies.

[Kung Wu]

Time to start talks on ending this nonsense.

We are! Cold posted just 16 hours ago!