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  • Originally posted by wufan View Post

    I guess we will just disagree.
    Pretty vague about what you disagree with, but Bernie Sanders was put in this position for a reason and that was to get the far left to vote for Biden, and the Democrat agenda. The remaining question is whether Manchin and Sinema will cave. Pelosi, anfd Schumer decide what comes up next (but they didn't put Bernie in this position without some caveats for him, and Bernie has more power than McConnell when it comes to Budget Bills and Budget Reconciliation.


    What are the powers of the Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee?
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    There is a lot of buzz about Senator Bernie Sanders becoming the Chair of the Senate Budget Committee. The question is, though, what powers does he actually gain when he takes up the Chairmanship?

    Answer:

    Effectively, the committee chair is the top official in the Senate with respect to that policy area. And, in the area of the budget, how the budget process is framed and managed can heavily impact the outcome.

    The chair has the power to set the agenda of the committee and to preside in its meetings.

    The first power is the most important.

    When a Senator introduces a bill, or a bill is passed by the House of Representatives and sent to the Senate, the first thing that happens to the bill, which is called a "first reading" is for it to be referred by the appropriate person (usually the presiding officer or the rules committee) to one or more committees. Often a bill is referred both to a subject matter committee (e.g. the transportation committee) and a fiscal committee that approves funding for it. (This said, a budget is just a roadmap for spending that frames the appropriations process, the actual decision to spend is made in separate appropriations bills.)

    The chair of a committee decides which of the many bills referred to it to consider, when to consider the bill, and for how long. A chair also handles the determination of which bills are referred to which subcommittees of the committee.

    Absent special circumstances, a bill will only be considered by the full Senate if the chair schedules the bill for a vote on to recommend adoption of the bill by the Senate and a majority of the committee approves it.

    A chair who has the support of enough committee members can kill a bill indefinitely by refusing to consider it. The chair can also decide who is recognized to speak on a bill, prioritize which proposed amendments to a bill are considered in what order, and has the primary role in deciding who will be called to testify before the committee.

    The chair also has a quasi-administrative role as the primary supervisor of committee staff who hires them and oversees their work, and as the person in charge of controlling the committee's office space.

    Since budget bills affect almost everything in government, and budget bills are considered "must pass" bills, the budget bills referred out of the budget committee will almost always be the starting point of floor debate on a national budget of the United States government in the Senate that will ultimately (possibly with some floor amendments) be passed by a majority of the U.S. Senate (something not true of bills from many other committees with narrower jurisdiction).
    • I feel like I heard something about this role having a role in deciding what counts as budget reconciliation, and thus can avoid a filibuster. Not sure how or if this is true, though – divibisan Jan 13 at 2:03
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      Yep, the Senate has a Reconciliation process, which only needs 51 votes rather than 60. Trump's tax cuts and The ACA was created using this process, and Bernie intends to use this process to pass his agenda – Connor Lonergan Jan 17 at 18:02

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    • Originally posted by Shockm View Post

      Pretty vague about what you disagree with, but Bernie Sanders was put in this position for a reason and that was to get the far left to vote for Biden, and the Democrat agenda. The remaining question is whether Manchin and Sinema will cave. Pelosi, anfd Schumer decide what comes up next (but they didn't put Bernie in this position without some caveats for him, and Bernie has more power than McConnell when it comes to Budget Bills and Budget Reconciliation.


      What are the powers of the Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee?
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      Asked 5 months ago
      Active 5 months ago
      Viewed 210 times

      There is a lot of buzz about Senator Bernie Sanders becoming the Chair of the Senate Budget Committee. The question is, though, what powers does he actually gain when he takes up the Chairmanship?

      Answer:

      Effectively, the committee chair is the top official in the Senate with respect to that policy area. And, in the area of the budget, how the budget process is framed and managed can heavily impact the outcome.

      The chair has the power to set the agenda of the committee and to preside in its meetings.

      The first power is the most important.

      When a Senator introduces a bill, or a bill is passed by the House of Representatives and sent to the Senate, the first thing that happens to the bill, which is called a "first reading" is for it to be referred by the appropriate person (usually the presiding officer or the rules committee) to one or more committees. Often a bill is referred both to a subject matter committee (e.g. the transportation committee) and a fiscal committee that approves funding for it. (This said, a budget is just a roadmap for spending that frames the appropriations process, the actual decision to spend is made in separate appropriations bills.)

      The chair of a committee decides which of the many bills referred to it to consider, when to consider the bill, and for how long. A chair also handles the determination of which bills are referred to which subcommittees of the committee.

      Absent special circumstances, a bill will only be considered by the full Senate if the chair schedules the bill for a vote on to recommend adoption of the bill by the Senate and a majority of the committee approves it.

      A chair who has the support of enough committee members can kill a bill indefinitely by refusing to consider it. The chair can also decide who is recognized to speak on a bill, prioritize which proposed amendments to a bill are considered in what order, and has the primary role in deciding who will be called to testify before the committee.

      The chair also has a quasi-administrative role as the primary supervisor of committee staff who hires them and oversees their work, and as the person in charge of controlling the committee's office space.

      Since budget bills affect almost everything in government, and budget bills are considered "must pass" bills, the budget bills referred out of the budget committee will almost always be the starting point of floor debate on a national budget of the United States government in the Senate that will ultimately (possibly with some floor amendments) be passed by a majority of the U.S. Senate (something not true of bills from many other committees with narrower jurisdiction).
      • I feel like I heard something about this role having a role in deciding what counts as budget reconciliation, and thus can avoid a filibuster. Not sure how or if this is true, though – divibisan Jan 13 at 2:03
      • 1
        Yep, the Senate has a Reconciliation process, which only needs 51 votes rather than 60. Trump's tax cuts and The ACA was created using this process, and Bernie intends to use this process to pass his agenda – Connor Lonergan Jan 17 at 18:02
      I don’t care about Sanders. I don’t think he has any more influence than a celebrity. If you do, fine by me.
      Livin the dream

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      • Zeke Miller @ZekeJMiller

        WASHINGTON (AP) — Aiming to preserve fragile infrastructure deal, Biden says he didn't intend to suggest veto unless Dem bill passes, too.

        Brit Hume @brithume

        In a way, that’s true. He didn’t “suggest” it, he said it.

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        • Originally posted by wufan View Post

          I don’t care about Sanders. I don’t think he has any more influence than a celebrity. If you do, fine by me.

          You usually put forth a little effort to see both sides, if not needlessly argumentative (healthy erythrocytes, anyone?) sometimes, but in this case you're being more than just a little naive. Bernie's 'squad' has some clout in DC. Really. Shcokm's right.

          https://www.axios.com/americas-conti...e562c4e67.html
          Last edited by ShockingButTrue; June 28, 2021, 12:30 PM.

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          • When the teacher calls on you but you didn’t study for the exam:

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            • Originally posted by ShockingButTrue View Post


              You usually put forth a little effort to see both sides, if not needlessly argumentative (healthy erythrocytes, anyone?) sometimes, but in this case you're being more than just a little naive. Bernie's 'squad' has some clout in DC. Really. Shcokm's right.

              https://www.axios.com/americas-conti...e562c4e67.html
              Serious question- Do you get drunk before you post?
              People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov

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              • The reigning World Champion Los Angeles Dodgers visited the White House today. Biden regaled them at the White House with a story about him at the second Congressional baseball game when he says hit the ball 368 ft off the right-centerfield wall. "My kids remember that," he adds. ..........(actually he went 0-2 with a ground out and a strikeout)

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                • Originally posted by pinstripers View Post
                  The reigning World Champion Los Angeles Dodgers visited the White House today. Biden regaled them at the White House with a story about him at the second Congressional baseball game when he says hit the ball 368 ft off the right-centerfield wall. "My kids remember that," he adds. ..........(actually he went 0-2 with a ground out and a strikeout)
                  Yeah, but Trump....

                  Talking about his inauguration numbers
                  "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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                  • "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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                    • Hunter Biden helped arrange business meetings with ambassadors from the Middle East as part of a consulting deal for a Nigerian-American businessman even after the mogul was accused in a United Nations report of plotting to buy gold from a Congolese warlord known as "The Terminator," according to emails from Biden’s abandoned laptop.

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                      • Scathing OP Ed in the WSJ about the media regarding the Bidens.

                        It's behind the pay wall, you can see the first part if you're not a subscriber, but it is strong.

                        The Hunter Biden Laptop Is Real - WSJ

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                        • If anyone pays to read the utter garbage that the WSJ is, please be kind enough to send me a synopsis.
                          People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov

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                          • I don't pay for WSJ but I was able to read the op-ed (perhaps a free view or two a month?). Here is an excerpt:

                            To avoid knowing the truth so you don’t have to report it is not good reporting. This has been the approach of other media, or was until last month when the Washington Post’s resident “fact checker,” Glenn Kessler, in a hilariously neurotic piece, apparently forced on him only because of his previous swallowing of Biden denials, finally confirmed some of the New York Post’s reporting.

                            To wit, the vice president made an “unscheduled” stop at a private restaurant dinner in April 2015 where Hunter was hosting an official of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma. Understand: If Hunter’s role on Burisma’s board was to make the company a hot potato for Ukrainian corruption investigators, the vice president’s stop-by succeeded instantly in turning the administration’s Ukraine policy into a hostage to Burisma avoiding prosecution.

                            Mr. Kessler writes a sentence that would fascinate Dr. Freud: “When we looked into it, there was less to the story than one might imagine.” He never specifies who “one” is or what one “imagines,” but the Washington Post confirms the New York Post story in toto.
                            And another pertinent paragraph:

                            Mr. Kessler and others use the excuse that the tabloids won’t share the laptop data, as if they should surrender their scoops to their haughtier brethren. But as Mr. Kessler demonstrates, other outlets are perfectly free to follow up by going to sources and asking questions, seeking documents. Watergate would not have unraveled if other papers didn’t follow up, and sometimes correct, the Washington Post’s revelations. Good places to start would be evidence of Mr. Biden’s lending the trappings of the vice presidency to Hunter’s effort to curry favor with Mexican billionaires Carlos Slim and Miguel Alemán Velasco, or of Hunter’s use of his business income to pay his father’s personal phone and home-improvement bills.

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                            • Originally posted by RoyalShock View Post
                              I don't pay for WSJ but I was able to read the op-ed (perhaps a free view or two a month?). Here is an excerpt:



                              And another pertinent paragraph:
                              If only that wasn’t hidden in the Opinion section. That’s good reporting there.
                              People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov

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                              • Biden's doin real good for a 2021 Democrat. Cut from the same cloth as Clinton. We'll be just fine.

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