Any Trump fans getting tired...

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"put down the knife or I'll shoot."

response A......putting down knife and not getting shot
response B......not putting knife down

No question what the correct answer is for a rational person posting on Shockernet. But if he doesn't put the knife down, and appears to be clearly distressed, does he deserve execution by firing squad or a bat to the side of the head? I'm going with the bat.

A large percentage of police shootings happen with a person who is mentally incapacitated, disabled, affected, distressed, etc. etc. There is a lot of talk about how we use police on calls that should have a mental health person instead (or maybe along with).

[wufan]

If you look at nearly every situation where there's public outcry, it's when a man (black) gets shot unarmed. It truly is a less than noble action when looked at historically. In the Wild West you DID NOT shoot an unarmed man. Somebody gave the dude a gun if he didn't have one. I have no problem with a law that states if there are multiple officers present, and the perp doesn't have a gun/knife, it is illegal to shoot him unless he has you on your back and your life truly is in danger. We should not see "firing squad" displays on Youtube. It's barbaric. Just electrocute the mother****er until he fills his pants. Then carry him to jail until he has his day in court. Justice served.

Care to go through the list of black men shot by police that were unarmed and resulted in public outcry?

Remember, George Floyd wasn’t shot. They were using a less lethal form of restraint. Michael Brown was unarmed at the time of the shooting, but had tried to take the LEOs gun and was charging the cop.

[wufan]

Just using aftermath videos from both incidents where both situations most likely had better tactics than could have been used and not give the rabble an excuse or where they will look bad if they do something uncalled for. I'm not trained in police tactics, particularly in those that could be used in situations where there was either time and/or opportunity to use non-lethal means. That's their job, not mine. However, if I had that kind of mindset where I could kill someone, I do suppose even I could have executed what the police did in these two situations. Again, in the one case, the police confronted him at another gas mart almost a 1/2 mile away then followed him to the next. My own guess is that there were ample time and situations to stop him without using lethal force. In the second, an unarmed man basically out walked 2 police from one side of the car to the other and got the door open while the 3rd cop at the back of the car was not even in the picture yet coming around the backside. I'm going to assume he did or they thought he did have a weapon in the car. If not, totally out of line.

There are most definitely times when lethal force is the only option from a time and/or situation. With what all is going on right now, there are also situations where the police can be viewed as throwing another match on the fire. I DO NOT want any police or bystander to get seriously hurt or killed. In such situations, lethal force should be used. For me, I cannot make that determination in these two situations (given what little I think I know).

I agree. Not enough information from the clips to determine good shoot or murder.

[wufan]

I'm a big defender of police in the context of a political argument with an anarchist, but overall, police are below civilians... that's why they are called public servants. They're not paid much, and they're not really that bright either as a general rule. Their job is to capture suspects, issue citations, and protect the vulnerable. The psychological profile of many officers is not dissimilar to violent felons. With that in mind, it is certainly in one's best interest to obey any law officer that confronts them and follow their commands. However, never should a civilian feel threatened by a law officer with respect to life or death unless they are actively threatening said officer. When some kid or drunk gets shot and killed because they scratched their nose or pulled their pants up... something is wrong.

The following video is one of the worst examples of police brutality I have ever seen.

This was the video I was referring to. He gets shot right after that as his pants were falling off. He was intoxicated.

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Care to go through the list of black men shot by police that were unarmed and resulted in public outcry?

Remember, George Floyd wasn’t shot. They were using a less lethal form of restraint. Michael Brown was unarmed at the time of the shooting, but had tried to take the LEOs gun and was charging the cop.

There's a lot of em'. No, I don't want to list them. By and large, whenever someone white/black is shot by a cop and they don't have a gun, people get pissed. The public doesn't understand the effectiveness of a knife. That being said, if you come at me with a knife, and I have a ball-bat, I'm gonna win 9 out of 10 times. That's a fact jack. You'll get a broken arm and a cracked nugget. :P

Two or three cops with big sticks can take out a fool with a knife easily. Cops need to start doing more martial arts training and getting their hands dirty... and using more bats. The gun is a little barbaric, UNLESS they're in a gun fight.

[WstateU]

Hershel Walker just took one back 100 yards...

[ShockerFever]

There's a lot of em'. No, I don't want to list them. By and large, whenever someone white/black is shot by a cop and they don't have a gun, people get pissed. The public doesn't understand the effectiveness of a knife. That being said, if you come at me with a knife, and I have a ball-bat, I'm gonna win 9 out of 10 times. That's a fact jack. You'll get a broken arm and a cracked nugget. :P

Two or three cops with big sticks can take out a fool with a knife easily. Cops need to start doing more martial arts training and getting their hands dirty... and using more bats. The gun is a little barbaric, UNLESS they're in a gun fight.

So cops are supposed to come to the party with bats and Jackie Chan moves and assume the other party at worst will be bringing a knife on his person?

[wufan]

So cops are supposed to come to the party with bats and Jackie Chan moves and assume the other party at worst will be bringing a knife on his person?

The local police are all super cops, and we should hold them to that standard.

[wufan]

Per reports the felon in Wisconsin was tazed prior to standing up and going to his vehicle.

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So cops are supposed to come to the party with bats and Jackie Chan moves and assume the other party at worst will be bringing a knife on his person?

Yeah. They can bring pipes, bats, chains, anything will look better than a firing squad shooting at a drunken negro trying to walk into a 7/11.

Interestingly, most cops will never use their sidearm in the line of duty their entire careers. I think it wouldn't be a bad thing if more would just sit on their hip and collect dust.

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Per reports the felon in Wisconsin was tazed prior to standing up and going to his vehicle.

Clearly wasn't tased enough.

[Shockm]

Clearly wasn't tased enough.

You always tout your thorough research on topics but you missed this. This article says that tasers don’t work 40% of the time.

https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2019/05/09/when-tasers-fail

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You always tout your thorough research on topics but you missed this. This article says that tasers don’t work 40% of the time.

https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2...en-tasers-fail

Three phase tasers. You resist, BAM.

[ShockerFever]

Per reports the felon in Wisconsin was tazed prior to standing up and going to his vehicle.

But don’t let the media point that out.

[WuDrWu]

Again with the MSM spin. Jacob was a wonderful father (see the attached pic with sons all smiling, overcoming the hateful racist world) taking his 8 year old to a birthday celebration. He stopped to break up a fight, a good Samaritan.


You cannot make up the spin this bad.

And is the Crump family the AA version of the Marks? Every time there's one of these incidents, one of them pops up somewhere, including Wichita.