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  • #31
    He didn't much care for black people and wanted to send them out of the country. With that said, the reasoning behind so much of these things is beyond ridiculous. We shouldn't judge history based on our current understandings and morals and experiences. I'm not a fan of Lincoln for other reasons, but he definitely has a place in history and this renaming effort is laughable. But of course, California.
    Infinity Art Glass - Fantastic local artist and Shocker fan
    RIP Guy Always A Shocker
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    • #32
      Originally posted by SubGod22 View Post
      He didn't much care for black people and wanted to send them out of the country. With that said, the reasoning behind so much of these things is beyond ridiculous. We shouldn't judge history based on our current understandings and morals and experiences. I'm not a fan of Lincoln for other reasons, but he definitely has a place in history and this renaming effort is laughable. But of course, California.
      Your opening statement ("He didn't much care for black people and wanted to send them out of the country") is by itself very biased and lacks perspective and reads Lincoln's mind more than you or anyone else knows. (your next line does add some perspective but not enough imo). IMO, Lincoln was a great man who made the most difficult decisions possible during a time of "CIVIL WAR" and national strife. He got it from ALL sides. Some thought he sided with blacks too much and others thought he didn't enough. People from both sides wanted to kill him and Lincoln didn't have the advantage of a Civil Service to protect him like our President has today. He was thought by many to be too easy on the South (after the CW) because he wanted to get our country back from divided to reunited as soon as possible. However, if you look at other positions he had toward black people during a time of extreme prejudice in our country, you see that he wasn't extreme at all either way. In fact, he was probably ahead of his times in many ways and who knows what would have happened to our country if not for Abraham Lincoln. Here is a couple of articles that give a true, balanced story of what was happening and what Abraham Lincoln believed in the 1850s and 60's. Remember that during that time, Kansas was referred to as "Bleeding Kansas" because of the fighting and Civil strife that was happening in our state, especially at the border with Missouri who was a slave state.
      https://www.nprillinois.org/post/lin...acist#stream/0

      https://www.history.com/news/5-thing...d-emancipation
      Last edited by Shockm; December 16, 2020, 11:37 AM.

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      • #33
        The greatest stories are those told of flawed individuals that accomplished great things when lesser men would have shrunk from the challenge.

        We do not denigrate our hero’s despite their flaws, but rather celebrate those things they accomplished for which they are remembered.
        Livin the dream

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        • #34
          Originally posted by wufan View Post
          The greatest stories are those told of flawed individuals that accomplished great things when lesser men would have shrunk from the challenge.

          We do not denigrate our hero’s despite their flaws, but rather celebrate those things they accomplished for which they are remembered.
          Absolutely love that.

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          • #35
            Be Careful What You Snapchat: A Cancel Culture Tale



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            • #36
              Probably should have its own thread. Just stay with it and close your eyes if needed; a lot of truth in this song...




              Lyrics
              I think it's crazy I'm the one who they labelled as controversial
              And Cardi B is the role model for 12-year-old girls
              There's rappers pushing Xanax at the top of the Billboard
              But if I mention race in a song, I'm scared I'll get killed for it
              It's backwards, it's getting exponentially dumb
              It's more difficult to get a job than purchase a gun
              Eminem used to gay bash and murder his mom
              And now he doesn't want fans if they voted for Trump
              We're ashamed to be American, you should probably love it
              'Cause you have the right to say it and not get strung up in public
              As children, we were taught how to walk and talk
              But the system wants adults to sit down and shut up
              Cancel culture runs the world now, the planet went crazy
              Label everything we say as homophobic or racist
              If you're white, then you're privileged, guilty by association
              All our childhood heroes got Me-Too'd or they're rapists
              They never freed the slaves, they realized that they don't need the chains
              They gave us tiny screens, we think we're free 'cause we can't see the cage
              They knew that race war would be the game they need to play
              For people to pick teams, they use the media to feed the flame
              They so fake woke, facts don't care 'bout feelings
              They know they won't tell me what to believe in
              They so fake woke, same old safe zones
              They so fake woke, facts don't care 'bout your feelings
              I think it's crazy all these people screaming facts, but they fake woke
              Hate their neighbour 'cause he wears a mask or he stays home
              Has a daughter, but his favourite artist said he slays hoes
              Picks her up from school, music slaps on the way home
              Censorship's an issue 'cause they choose what they erase
              There's a difference between hate speech and speech that you hate
              I think Black Lives Matter was the stupidest name
              When the system's screwing everyone exactly the same
              I just wanna spend Thanksgiving Day with food and my family
              Without being accused of celebrating native casualties
              We got so divided, it's black and white and political
              Republicans are bigots, libtards if you're liberal
              There's riots in our streets, and it's just getting worse
              Y'all screaming, "Defund the police", y'all are genius for sure
              They're underfunded already, they're way too busy to work
              Order food and call the cops, see what reaches you first
              Segregation ended, that's a lie in itself
              That was a strategy to make us think they were trying to help
              They knew that racism was hot if they designed it to sell
              We buy up every single box and divide us ourselves
              They so fake woke, facts don't care 'bout feelings
              They know they won't tell me what to believe in
              They so fake woke, same old safe zones
              They so fake woke, facts don't care 'bout your feelings
              We use violence to get peace and wonder why it isn't working
              That's like sleeping with a football team to try and be a virgin
              Politicians are for sale, and someone always makes the purchase
              But you and I cannot afford it, our democracy is worthless
              If a man has mental illness, call him crazy, say it silently
              When country's going crazy, we accept it as society
              Get sick and take a pill when the side effects get you high
              You get addicted like these rappers dying fighting with sobriety
              Censoring the facts turns our children into idiots
              They claim it's for our safety, I'll tell you what it really is
              Removing information that empowers all the citizens
              The truth doesn't damage points of view that are legitimate
              They're tryna change amen to a-men and women
              How'd we let 'em make praying a microaggression?
              Instead of asking God for the strength to keep winning
              We cheat to get ahead, and then we ask Him for forgiveness
              Feminism used to be the most righteous of fights
              But these days, it feels like they secretly hate guys
              I don't trust anyone who bleeds for a week and don't die
              I'm just kidding, but everything else that I said is right
              They so fake woke, facts don't care 'bout feelings
              They know they won't tell me what to believe in
              They so fake woke, same old safe zones
              They so fake woke, facts don't care 'bout your feelings
              "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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              • #37
                On this day, August 1, 2021, Matt Damon was cancelled.

                He admitted that a few months ago his daughter pointed out that using the f***** slur was unacceptable.


                Politically correct/gay twitter has erupted and since cancelled Matt. So many people have been crushed and disappointed by this awful news.

                RIP Matt.

                I applaud Mr. Damon. Loved him in The Rainmaker and Saving Private Ryan, among others.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by WuDrWu View Post
                  On this day, August 1, 2021, Matt Damon was cancelled.

                  He admitted that a few months ago his daughter pointed out that using the f***** slur was unacceptable.


                  Politically correct/gay twitter has erupted and since cancelled Matt. So many people have been crushed and disappointed by this awful news.

                  RIP Matt.

                  I applaud Mr. Damon. Loved him in The Rainmaker and Saving Private Ryan, among others.
                  Good Will Hunting!!!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by shoxlax View Post

                    Good Will Hunting!!!
                    School Ties!
                    "In God we trust, all others must bring data." - W. Edwards Deming

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                    • #40
                      Adore School Ties.

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                      • #41
                        Dogma
                        Infinity Art Glass - Fantastic local artist and Shocker fan
                        RIP Guy Always A Shocker
                        Carpenter Place - A blessing to many young girls/women
                        ICT S.O.S - Great local cause fighting against human trafficking
                        Wartick Insurance Agency - Saved me money with more coverage.
                        Save Shocker Sports - A rallying cry

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                        • #42
                          Jason Bourne
                          "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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                          • #43
                            Without looking up the news item, the word is ****** ?

                            whoops......fa
                            and then ggot?

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                            • #44
                              I don't know Matt Damon's politics, but my guess is he is probably a Bernie guy. I'm almost positive he's in the private jet hopping climate crisis crowd. He can go eff himself. So long as the left wants to eat their own, have at it. Give them all what they want and vote for. I have no pity for any of them. In fact, I love watching it. It just proves that these clowns are virtue-signalling ignoramouses, who are only interested in optics. There is no stomach to sacrifice a thing. Screw them.
                              "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by ShockerPrez View Post
                                I don't know Matt Damon's politics, but my guess is he is probably a Bernie guy. I'm almost positive he's in the private jet hopping climate crisis crowd. He can go eff himself. So long as the left wants to eat their own, have at it. Give them all what they want and vote for. I have no pity for any of them. In fact, I love watching it. It just proves that these clowns are virtue-signalling ignoramouses, who are only interested in optics. There is no stomach to sacrifice a thing. Screw them.
                                Damon is left leaning but does a bunch for charity and isn’t really in your face about it like the other Hollywood liberals. It is sorta funny to watch though.

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