Defunding/Abolishing Police

[WuDrWu]

That’s miserable to watch. Beyond awful. Lotta damage done.

[Kung Wu]

What those five cops did Tyre Nichols in Memphis is beyond disgusting.

[WstateU]

It's bound to happen, but especially is occurring in poorer areas or more inner-city areas where many people don't have access to purchasing on line. I was shopping in a Bradley Fair Jewelry store last year, and I made a joke about whether they've had a "smash and grab" lately (I joked about it because I knew Wichita hasn't had those problems yet). They smiled but quickly said Shhh. They didn't seem worried, but I could tell they'd thought through what they would do if it came to their store, so a little anxiety was apparent.

“Nevermind the dog, beware of the owner”

[Shockm]

I'd love to see all retailers abandon their presence in any city/state that is lax in law and order. That's the only thing that will get their attention.

It's bound to happen, but especially is occurring in poorer areas or more inner-city areas where many people don't have access to purchasing on line. I was shopping in a Bradley Fair Jewelry store last year, and I made a joke about whether they've had a "smash and grab" lately (I joked about it because I knew Wichita hasn't had those problems yet). They smiled but quickly said Shhh. They didn't seem worried, but I could tell they'd thought through what they would do if it came to their store, so a little anxiety was apparent.

[ShockTalk]

This is what will happen if Society doesn’t get a handle on theft and shoplifting.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/06/walm...-closures.html

theres lots of info. On this problem.

I'd love to see all retailers abandon their presence in any city/state that is lax in law and order. That's the only thing that will get their attention.

[Shockm]

This is what will happen if Society doesn’t get a handle on theft and shoplifting.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/06/walm...-closures.html

theres lots of info. On this problem.

[SubGod22]

The Daniel Shaver shooting is back in the news.

Mr. Shaver was shot and killed by police while he was laying on his stomach, as ordered by police, in the hallway of a La Quinta Inn in Mesa, Arizona.

The officer was cleared of any wrong doing by the police, but there was a trial for 2nd degree murder and lesser charges. He was found not guilty, although that could also be because the body cam video of the shooting was withheld from trial and jurors weren't allowed to see it, and therefore only had the word of the police officers responding since the victim was dead.

The City of Mesa, and the taxpayers within, have paid out millions of dollars Mr. Shaver's parents and now his widow.

The officer in question had previously had complaints of excessive force (he put a teenager in a headlock and slammed him to the ground. Witnesses said the teen wasn't doing anything wrong), and after the trial he was let go by the PD because of a history of misconduct, though he was rehired later and allowed to get some sort of medical discharge where he receives $2500 a month for the trauma he suffered in killing Mr. Shaver.

The DOJ is still investigating the case for civil rights violations.

How much money has this cost taxpayers? Again, holding bad cops accountable shouldn't be controversial and it helps all good cops and saves departments/taxpayers money. Instead, here we have taxpayers paying what I'm guessing is over $10M in settlements plus another $30K every year to the guy who caused it all. I'd guess the reason he was hired back on and allowed to medically retire is because his dad was/is a longtime officer in the department. Which is just more shady crap.

Wife of Texas man killed by police in Arizona settles suit (msn.com)

And again, if a member of the military did something like this while in a combat zone they'd have been court-martialed and thrown in Leavenworth for their crimes. I've still never received an answer as to why our combat troops are held to a much higher standard for rules of engagement while being surrounded by people who may legitimately want to harm them than we do our civilian police force dealing with American citizens, of which very few actually want to harm them. I await the no response I'll ever get to that question when asked.

[ShockerPrez]

Get those MAGA semi-fascists out of here...oh wait...

MAGA running loose in Memphis now. I am starting to think Biden was right.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

https://saraacarter.com/11-mass-shoo...at-run-cities/

Get those MAGA semi-fascists out of here...oh wait...

[pinstripers]

https://saraacarter.com/11-mass-shootings-over-labor-day-weekend-in-mostly-democrat-run-cities/

[rrshock]

If you are going to use public services to police a community, there’s really not much reason that you couldn’t rotate them through the fire and EMT teams. I am of the belief that firemen, EMTs, and cops are mostly not doing much and then they do a lot of really hard work.

All professional firefighters are required to be EMTs around here before they can be hired. Some police officers have also chosen to get that certification.

There used to be a department of public safety in some towns where the police and fire fighters were all cross trained. EMS was never included that I am aware of. The only department that I know of that is like this now is the Eisenhower Airport Fire, which are actually all WPD that have been cross trained. Still not EMS though.

Most firefighters don't want to be cops. There is a reason police officers are referred to as "blue canaries".

[ShockerDropOut]

I understand your point. I’m curious though, how many fires did you typically put out in a 40 hour week?

Our work week averaged 56 hour. Our schedule was 24 on, 48 off. This did include night times when we would sleep, unless there were alarms. 90% of our alarms were medical in nature.

Just a very rough estimate, I probably averaged 2 fire alarms of any type (structure, grass, vehicle) per month during my career. We were far from what I would consider a busy department. There were stations that were fairly busy and some that were not busy in the least.

[wufan]

These are all very different professions with different skill sets. The closest is EMS and Fire. All firefighters in this area are EMTs. So there is some overlap of knowledge,but EMS are all paramedics. I higher level of training. Your idea is a disaster waiting to happen. No doubt. I loved being a firefighter, but I do not have the temperment to be a police officer. All of these professions require a great deal of specialized training. There is very little crossover between them.

I understand your point. I’m curious though, how many fires did you typically put out in a 40 hour week?

[ShockerDropOut]

If you are going to use public services to police a community, there’s really not much reason that you couldn’t rotate them through the fire and EMT teams. I am of the belief that firemen, EMTs, and cops are mostly not doing much and then they do a lot of really hard work.

These are all very different professions with different skill sets. The closest is EMS and Fire. All firefighters in this area are EMTs. So there is some overlap of knowledge,but EMS are all paramedics. I higher level of training. Your idea is a disaster waiting to happen. No doubt. I loved being a firefighter, but I do not have the temperment to be a police officer. All of these professions require a great deal of specialized training. There is very little crossover between them.

[wichshock65]

My wife needs one of these!

https://twitter.com/Xaniken/status/1562532223706079241?t=efuP6JwVTIWZseJfY4OHeA&s=19