Defunding/Abolishing Police

[WuDrWu]

If there was a doomsday clock for civil war, it would be dangerously close to midnight right about now.

The rampant stupidity from the left is fueling a scary, potentially wildly violent crescendo.

To be honest, what worries me the most right now (other than the obvious, a far left takeover of our country which will signal the end of the USA) is a well armed group of people that gets pushed too far and obliterates a large number of protestors/civilians.

And our conservative leaders, with their spineless kowtowing to the mob, are not helping the situation. In fact, they're pushing us all closer to a bloody conclusion.

[ShockTalk]

The Atlanta policeman that shot Rashard Brooks has been charged with Felony Murder. The police officer that was called to the scene to support Rolfe was charged with lessor offenses.

The Atlanta police force has called in sick for the night. The Mayor is requesting help from adjacent districts. Thus far they have not responded to any calls.

And so it begins.

[ShockingButTrue]

Depends which will make them the most money.

Well, there ya go:

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[shock]

Listen, if it's really just "overhaul" the police department -- that's okay. If so, they chose a seriously spooky way to present it, but an overhaul is probably healthy, like it would be with any large organization -- especially if it's got some serious underlying issues.

But the minute I hear any discussion about a private militia being allowed to carry weapons (auxillary police, community police, whatever you want to call it): it's a hard no and I would expect the governor AND the feds to intervene.

I don't know what the intent is, but if they really are just wanting to completely revamp the local PD -- which is ultimately voter owned and ran -- then there's no issue from where I sit.

It’s Minnesota. The intent is sharia law.

[wufan]

I share my experiences with him so that he understands it's not always about color. Still, when we started comparing notes, seemed like he'd been in this situation many more times than I did. That tells me something. Probably hard to quantify because it's anecdotal, but I didn't think the difference could just be shrugged off. However, he needs to understand that even in a perfect world it will still happen, as both of us have seen.

It can be shrugged off. It’s a narrative and not representative of reality. The reality is that the police haven’t targeted black people because they are black in at least a generation.

[revenge_of_shocka_khan]

https://www.city-journal.org/html/ra...ked-12244.html

The same is true for violent crimes. Stops of criminals match up proportionally with the rate at which a certain ethnicity commits crimes.

I was also stopped and the police thought my entomology collection was drugs. Pretty sure they stopped me for being white.

Im done being polite with “my truth” narratives. They might be true on an individual basis, but they don’t say **** about reality.

I share my experiences with him so that he understands it's not always about color. Still, when we started comparing notes, seemed like he'd been in this situation many more times than I did. That tells me something. Probably hard to quantify because it's anecdotal, but I didn't think the difference could just be shrugged off. However, he needs to understand that even in a perfect world it will still happen, as both of us have seen.

[wufan]

The Atlanta policeman that shot Rashard Brooks has been charged with Felony Murder. The police officer that was called to the scene to support Rolfe was charged with lessor offenses.

The Atlanta police force has called in sick for the night. The Mayor is requesting help from adjacent districts. Thus far they have not responded to any calls.

[wufan]

Progressives lost the police vote some time ago.

If I were doing it, I would emphasize the need for reform as a social justice issue and spin it to make the optics look palatable. Ask your favorite black friend what a DWB is. I've had similar things being from out of town (once notably, in St. Louis). They get pulled over because of the color of their skin in some places. I got pulled over because I was headed to State Farm (Bloomington/Normal, Ill.) for their examination and I had a car full of stuff. They thought i was running drugs.

Always remember in politics, if the people who aren't your voters have an issue, you throw them under the bus. Trump's been doing that to just about everybody he disagrees with, not realizing you have to make the calculation regards how many people in that demographic would vote for you.

This is about votes. If you side with the police, you lose the black vote. If you side with the blacks you lose the police vote. Since the police don't vote for you, they are 'somewhat' expendable.

There are a lot of moderates (and progressives, the ones you would call a lib, not AOC) who don't buy into the defund the police thing. The issue is more and better training. Emphasize non-violent solutions. Measure compliance. Remember, "you get what you inspect, not what you expect."

https://www.city-journal.org/html/ra...ked-12244.html

The same is true for violent crimes. Stops of criminals match up proportionally with the rate at which a certain ethnicity commits crimes.

I was also stopped and the police thought my entomology collection was drugs. Pretty sure they stopped me for being white.

Im done being polite with “my truth” narratives. They might be true on an individual basis, but they don’t say **** about reality.

[revenge_of_shocka_khan]

I'm just waiting for the progressives to eat their own, intellectually. Can't support police reform, and their union, as the same time. Have to choose one or the other. It is a meme waiting to be generated.

Progressives lost the police vote some time ago.

If I were doing it, I would emphasize the need for reform as a social justice issue and spin it to make the optics look palatable. Ask your favorite black friend what a DWB is. I've had similar things being from out of town (once notably, in St. Louis). They get pulled over because of the color of their skin in some places. I got pulled over because I was headed to State Farm (Bloomington/Normal, Ill.) for their examination and I had a car full of stuff. They thought i was running drugs.

Always remember in politics, if the people who aren't your voters have an issue, you throw them under the bus. Trump's been doing that to just about everybody he disagrees with, not realizing you have to make the calculation regards how many people in that demographic would vote for you.

This is about votes. If you side with the police, you lose the black vote. If you side with the blacks you lose the police vote. Since the police don't vote for you, they are 'somewhat' expendable.

There are a lot of moderates (and progressives, the ones you would call a lib, not AOC) who don't buy into the defund the police thing. The issue is more and better training. Emphasize non-violent solutions. Measure compliance. Remember, "you get what you inspect, not what you expect."

[SHOCKvalue]

I'm just waiting for the progressives to eat their own, intellectually. Can't support police reform, and their union, as the same time. Have to choose one or the other. It is a meme waiting to be generated.

[Kung Wu]

Listen, if it's really just "overhaul" the police department -- that's okay. If so, they chose a seriously spooky way to present it, but an overhaul is probably healthy, like it would be with any large organization -- especially if it's got some serious underlying issues.

But the minute I hear any discussion about a private militia being allowed to carry weapons (auxillary police, community police, whatever you want to call it): it's a hard no and I would expect the governor AND the feds to intervene.

I don't know what the intent is, but if they really are just wanting to completely revamp the local PD -- which is ultimately voter owned and ran -- then there's no issue from where I sit.

[wufan]

Say what???????? You're kidding, right?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/12/minneapolis-city-council-unanimously-votes-to-replace-police-with-community-led-model/amp/

[wichshock65]

Yes. Minneapolis just did. The police will be replaced with “some other” group.

Say what???????? You're kidding, right?

[wufan]

Is abolishing police departments really on the table? These are things I can’t judge where I live.

Yes. Minneapolis just did. The police will be replaced with “some other” group.

[wufan]

I think I could be a pretty good serial killer. Not great with taking lives and all, but pretty sure I could elude capture and cover up my tracks. Especially with no homocide detectives or any other law enforcement body giving an eff to find me.

They won’t need detectives. They will just track everyone’s whereabouts with phones and cameras...facial recognition.