Rev Al To Minneapolis (what could go wrong?)

[SB Shock]

Then there is this type of tyrannical response by the police. They are unwilling to intervene in the rioting or looting but then go on a patrol through a community and respond this way....this is how u serve your community?

https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/...653385225?s=21

remember the police are not there to protect u from injustice, but are there to pick up the pieces afterwards.

[ShockerFever]

Sorry. Didn’t mean to quote your post. I meant to quote the one you quoted about Trump and Russia.

Alright. I was gonna say.. that was totally off the cuff.

[ShockerFever]

ANTIFA is the real blame in all of this. I bet half of them don't even know who George Floyd is. Just a freaking scapegoat for them to act like pieces of absolute dogshit.

I want justice for Floyd and any inequalities done to all citizens. The cop is gonna get his. He is also not representative of ALL cops, ALL white people, ALL right wingers, etc. And that's what I don't understand with the violence. But then again, POS ANTIFA is involved. What a hypocritical joke of an organization. It seems the peaceful BLM camp is noticing that ANTIFA is a menace and a problem. So once ANTIFA realizes they are the enemy in all of this and everybody rallies against them, it will come to an end.

[wsushox1]

No. Capitalism my a--.

They (and that's many) didn't like who the Republic voted to be the President in '16. Most people don't like being told who, and who not to, vote for.

Well more people did vote for Clinton than Trump. But I digress on that point.

But I would push back on you brushing off the "anti-capitalist" sentiment that is taking hold at these rallies. I went to school with several individuals who know fall into that camp a lot of them have many things in common:

• Took on a lot of debt
• Did not get good grades
• Dropped out of college
• Work in the service industry

They feel as if capitalism has denied them the opportunity. When in reality they are extremely privileged to even get an education, completed or not. Those type of people are appropriating these protests to get all pissy about how the system has failed them. When in reality, they failed the system.

[revenge_of_shocka_khan]

ANTIFA is the real blame in all of this. I bet half of them don't even know who George Floyd is. Just a freaking scapegoat for them to act like pieces of absolute dogshit.

I want justice for Floyd and any inequalities done to all citizens. The cop is gonna get his. He is also not representative of ALL cops, ALL white people, ALL right wingers, etc. And that's what I don't understand with the violence. But then again, POS ANTIFA is involved. What a hypocritical joke of an organization. It seems the peaceful BLM camp is noticing that ANTIFA is a menace and a problem. So once ANTIFA realizes they are the enemy in all of this and everybody rallies against them, it will come to an end.

Not that I don't think you have a point, but the governor of Minnesota is saying that their outside agitators are a mix of right-wing white supremicists and drug cartels. The drug cartel angle I would definitely believe. Criminal gangs are always looking for opportunities to exploit situations.

As far as whether this is right-wing or left-wing, I would believe that both of them are involved. If you look at some of the crap that's gone down in places like Portland, it's pretty easy to see that they both hate each other and they both like to fight. And I would add that the right wing skinhead types would have a motive.....that motive would be to commit acts of vandalism and try to blame the other side so as to discredit them.

We had a lot of damage in my community yesterday night. Seems like the bad guy's MO is as follows: sneak away from the crowd, vandalize and then try to blend back in. Our police is saying they have camera footage.

Either way, I don't really give a damn who is doing it, they ought to go to jail, and while I disagree with the things my President has said, I do think that the small businesses impacted by this violence ought to be able to protect their property by any means necessary.

[revenge_of_shocka_khan]

This **** is way bigger and gone on way longer than Trump. To put this on Trump or Russia is intellectually lazy. There are probably dozens of reasons if you want to list. It could go back 60 years.

I agree. The situation that occurred is not Trump's fault. The lack of leadership that he is currently displaying, as well as some of his prior statements (for instance about Charlottesville) that cause communities of color to suspect he is racist, are. And his track record of playing fast and loose with the truth works against him in this case, because the default, again because of his track record, is to not believe any conciliatory messages he puts out, but believe the inflamatory ones.

I would like to see him fix this, for the good of the country, but I think the sample size is large enough for me to conclude it probably will not happen.

[ShockerPrez]

Well more people did vote for Clinton than Trump. But I digress on that point.

But I would push back on you brushing off the "anti-capitalist" sentiment that is taking hold at these rallies. I went to school with several individuals who know fall into that camp a lot of them have many things in common:

• Took on a lot of debt
• Did not get good grades
• Dropped out of college
• Work in the service industry

They feel as if capitalism has denied them the opportunity. When in reality they are extremely privileged to even get an education, completed or not. Those type of people are appropriating these protests to get all pissy about how the system has failed them. When in reality, they failed the system.

This is a big factor. Obviously the underlying issue being taught/conveyed/propagated, etc is that individuals in the lower class are there because of the system and the system failing them is capitalism.

But it doesn't really matter, this crap has always been there throughout history. Those who wish to revolt or gain power have to cast 'the system' as the enemy in order to overthrow it.

When you think about how often countries revolt and overthrow their governments, it is a testament to how great capitalism really is. As those wishing to rid themselves of it haven't been able to convince anything close to a majority of the population to go along with it. If you watch the mainstream media, you might think that it's getting close, but I doubt it.

I think that there are things people say they are in favor of, but when given details, they still weigh pros and cons in a cost/freedom analysis and would probably side with the capitalist approach vs socialist approach everytime.

If the system sucked, we'd have changed a long time ago. Because populations can be swayed by propaganda in the short term, but long term, people want to be free of tyranny. That transcends race.

[ShockerPrez]

I agree. The situation that occurred is not Trump's fault. The lack of leadership that he is currently displaying, as well as some of his prior statements (for instance about Charlottesville) that cause communities of color to suspect he is racist, are. And his track record of playing fast and loose with the truth works against him in this case, because the default, again because of his track record, is to not believe any conciliatory messages he puts out, but believe the inflamatory ones.

I would like to see him fix this, for the good of the country, but I think the sample size is large enough for me to conclude it probably will not happen.

Trump has already lost his chance to sway anyone because he is a dumbass. He didn't learn early on that billionaire Trump talking and everyone kissing his ass is waaaay different than president Trump of the Republican party. He pissed in the pool of the Washington elite and they did their thing and it worked.

Leadership would be nice, but I don't really think he would get the benefit of the doubt anyway.

[wufan]

Not that I don't think you have a point, but the governor of Minnesota is saying that their outside agitators are a mix of right-wing white supremicists and drug cartels. The drug cartel angle I would definitely believe. Criminal gangs are always looking for opportunities to exploit situations.

As far as whether this is right-wing or left-wing, I would believe that both of them are involved. If you look at some of the crap that's gone down in places like Portland, it's pretty easy to see that they both hate each other and they both like to fight. And I would add that the right wing skinhead types would have a motive.....that motive would be to commit acts of vandalism and try to blame the other side so as to discredit them.

We had a lot of damage in my community yesterday night. Seems like the bad guy's MO is as follows: sneak away from the crowd, vandalize and then try to blend back in. Our police is saying they have camera footage.

Either way, I don't really give a damn who is doing it, they ought to go to jail, and while I disagree with the things my President has said, I do think that the small businesses impacted by this violence ought to be able to protect their property by any means necessary.

I like the overall sentiment of your post, so I don’t want to take away from it. That said, I don’t believe the premise of the Minnesota gov.

The leftist politicians and and celebrities are donating money to causes with the state’s purpose of bailing out the “protestors” after they get arrested. Why would they be bailing out white supremacists and drug dealers? Surely the folks being bailed out are local/regional activists aligned with “the cause”.

[pinstripers]

Why on earth would anybody wanna go into law enforcement nowadays?

[1989]

How do we know which group, besides the police, is doing the violence and stirring crap up? I’ve seen dozens of videos of looting, destruction of property, fire starting, etc... and I don’t know how one discerns who is BLM vs. White supremacist vs. ANTIFA vs. drug cartel vs. a rando with no affiliation.

[wufan]

How do we know which group, besides the police, is doing the violence and stirring crap up? I’ve seen dozens of videos of looting, destruction of property, fire starting, etc... and I don’t know how one discerns who is BLM vs. White supremacist vs. ANTIFA vs. drug cartel vs. a rando with no affiliation.

There are lots of incidents. You’d have to look at them individually. I haven’t seen anything that indicates drug cartel, but I’ve not seen it all. ANTIFA is dressed in all black, usually/always white. It’s hard to tell if other folks are associated with BLM, white supremacy, or random. Statistics tell us that there are less than 25000 white supremacists, so that’s quite a bit of damage around the country for such a small group to perpetrate in one weekend.

[wufan]

https://twitter.com/timcast/status/1267269659524546565?s=21

[wsushox1]

ANTIFA is the real blame in all of this. I bet half of them don't even know who George Floyd is. Just a freaking scapegoat for them to act like pieces of absolute dogshit.

I want justice for Floyd and any inequalities done to all citizens. The cop is gonna get his. He is also not representative of ALL cops, ALL white people, ALL right wingers, etc. And that's what I don't understand with the violence. But then again, POS ANTIFA is involved. What a hypocritical joke of an organization. It seems the peaceful BLM camp is noticing that ANTIFA is a menace and a problem. So once ANTIFA realizes they are the enemy in all of this and everybody rallies against them, it will come to an end.

I'm sure there is a mix of ANTIFA and Boogaloo Bois (I can't believe thats what they call themselves) starting trouble. To say it is all ANTIFA is much too broad of a statement. There is evidence that the Boogaloo Bois have set-up in Minneapolis. The person arrested for burning down the historic nashville court house last night fits the description for a far right anarchist considerably more than a far left anarchist.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what side they are on because, if you believe in the horseshoe theory like I do, they are pretty much the same and want to appropriate this protest as an excuse for the anarchistic fetishes.

[1989]

There are lots of incidents. You’d have to look at them individually. I haven’t seen anything that indicates drug cartel, but I’ve not seen it all. ANTIFA is dressed in all black, usually/always white. It’s hard to tell if other folks are associated with BLM, white supremacy, or random. Statistics tell us that there are less than 25000 white supremacists, so that’s quite a bit of damage around the country for such a small group to perpetrate in one weekend.

White people dressed in all black? Is that the only identifier? All this just seems like guess work to me trying to figure out who is responsible for what.