Gender roles in America

[Kung Wu]

Yikes.

[Shockm]

Here is some more information (because I have more time than when I first entered this information) from Elon Musk on his child who has become estranged from his son who now claims to be a girl. This article brings context into why Musk (who used to be a very liberal person), now claims more conservative leanings than before, and supports Donald Trump for President.

Musk made the comments during an interview with psychologist and conservative commentator Jordan Peterson broadcast Monday afternoon. Musk, who leads several companies including X, called gender-reassignment surgery “child mutilation and sterilization.” Musk said his daughter, Vivian Jenna Wilson, received gender-affirming care during the pandemic and came out as trans when she was 16.

“I was essentially tricked into signing documents for one of my older boys,” Musk said, referring to Wilson, who no longer goes by her father’s last name. “This was really before I had any understanding of what was going on, and we had COVID going on, so there was a lot of confusion and I was told (Musk’s child) might commit suicide.”

Musk went on to say that the process is done to children “who are far below the age of consent” and that he agrees with Peterson that “it’s incredibly evil” and that anyone promoting it should be imprisoned. Musk, who has 12 kids and has repeatedly spoken about fertility and underpopulation, also claimed it was never explained to him that puberty blockers were “actually just sterilization drugs.” Puberty blockers on their own do not affect fertility.

“I was tricked into doing this,” Musk said. “I lost my son, essentially. They call it ‘deadnaming’ for a reason. The reason they call it ‘deadnaming’ is because your son is dead.”

Musk’s daughter in 2022 applied for a name change and a new birth certificate, saying in court documents that she no longer wants to “be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form.” Musk has blamed his lack of a relationship with his daughter on her progressive school in Los Angeles, according to Walter Isaacson’s biography. Isaacson wrote that his estranged relationship with Wilson is behind Musk’s “anti-woke sentiments.”


In recent years, Musk — once known for his center-left politics — has leaned increasingly into right-wing talking points on everything from diversity initiatives to election fraud and immigration. Earlier this month, he endorsed the Republican party’s presidential ticket of former president Donald Trump and Ohio Senator J.D. Vance, who are both proponents of the oil industry and against clean energy.

https://qz.com/elon-musk-transgender-child-woke-mind-virus-peterson-1851602197

[Atxshoxfan]

It's funny how they say Trump is against clean energy. That is a total lie. I don't know anyone who would be against clean energy, but I know plenty who are against being banned from using goods in the name of clean or green energy. Also many who oppose government abuse of taxpayers money to enrich the green industry big wigs.
It's like the Dems now using the lies that Republicans are not for border security because they voted against the bipartisan border control bill. The general public is not informed by the media that the border control bill allowed 5000 illegals per day to cross before closing the border. The Dems and media are so deceitful these days.

[WuDrWu]

It's funny how they say Trump is against clean energy. That is a total lie. I don't know anyone who would be against clean energy, but I know plenty who are against being banned from using goods in the name of clean or green energy. Also many who oppose government abuse of taxpayers money to enrich the green industry big wigs.
It's like the Dems now using the lies that Republicans are not for border security because they voted against the bipartisan border control bill. The general public is not informed by the media that the border control bill allowed 5000 illegals per day to cross before closing the border. The Dems and media are so deceitful these days.

Bless you for that. My head was about to explode when I read it.

The Dems and their media machine will lie, lie and lie again to further their own interests and cult.

[Shockm]

It's funny how they say Trump is against clean energy. That is a total lie. I don't know anyone who would be against clean energy, but I know plenty who are against being banned from using goods in the name of clean or green energy. Also many who oppose government abuse of taxpayers money to enrich the green industry big wigs.
It's like the Dems now using the lies that Republicans are not for border security because they voted against the bipartisan border control bill. The general public is not informed by the media that the border control bill allowed 5000 illegals per day to cross before closing the border. The Dems and media are so deceitful these days.

I agree with all hat you say about clean energy, and the south border lies.

However, that (at least you didn’t prove the case) doesn’t address the lies that the Democrat’s and trans movement coalition have spread that Musk is fighting against that he lost a son because of the whole lie that gender identity (and psychological twists) trumps true scientific proof of gender.

That’s what this thread is about.

[SubGod22]

Recently became aware of this company, thanks to former Shocker Neleigh Herring.

[ShockTalk]

Hundreds of female golfers demand removal of transgender player Hailey Davidson

Hundreds of female golfers have complained about the participation of Scottish-born transgender player Hailey Davidson in the penultimate stage of the LPGA Tour’s qualifying competition.

[Kung Wu]

Wow. This crap has to stop. Democrats need to speak out against their female hating leadership.

[1972Shocker]

Would Sesame Street broadcast anything like this these days?

[1972Shocker]

[Kung Wu]

Ahem, we're "bearded women" thank you very much.

[WuDrWu]

I’ll select 100 milligrams thank you very much.


IYKYK

[SubGod22]

Nevada volleyball player alleges school told her trans athlete is at a 'disadvantage' in women's sports

University of Nevada, Reno volleyball captain Sia Liilii revealed more details about her and her teammates' dispute with their school over whether to play a team with a transgender player, on Sunday.

While speaking at the "Stand With Women" forum on fairness in women’s sports in Philadelphia, Liilii alleged that officials at her school told her and her teammates that the trans athlete they would face is at a disadvantage in women's sports due to the medications that are taken to transition.

"The countless meetings that my teammates and I were [dragged] into, telling us that we're not educated enough, that we didn’t know what the science is behind it, that this person was actually at a disadvantage toward us women because they were under all these drugs," Liilii said.

The opponent that Nevada would have had to face has been alleged to spike the ball at nearly 80 mph, causing fear for the physical safety of teammates, in a lawsuit filed against the NCAA by San Jose State player Brooke Slusser.

A 2021 scientific review found trans women’s muscle mass remains high after transitioning.

A study published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine found that transgender women also have stronger grip strength after transitioning.

ESPN previously explored the subject of transgender athletes playing in women's sports in a segment of "Sports Science." The episode featured several experts, including physiologist Tommy Lundberg, who concluded that male bodies will "undoubtedly" retain physical advantages over women even if puberty blockers are used.

Sounds like Nevada officials have taken the stance that their students are uneducated and don't understand the science, even though there is a lot of science that backs the student-athletes. It also sounds as though Nevada has tried to keep the players silent on this topic but at least one is obviously speaking out.

[Shockm]

Dr. Johanna Olson-Kennedy didn’t publish her latest research because it showed that puberty blockers (which have tremendous side sexual affects against trans children later) didn’t help the Mental Health of the children it was hoped to help. This also points to researchers who either want their outcome achieved, or they will squelch the outcomes.

This shows that much of research in ANY area of Research should be really watched, because Researchers are more interested in their hypothesis being shown to be correct, than they are in proven outcomes. That’s why I’m concerned by energy and climate outcome research

https://nypost.com/2024/10/23/us-news/doctor-refused-to-publish-trans-kids-study-that-showed-puberty-blockers-didnt-help-mental-health/

True gender dysphoria affects approximately .01% of humans, so it is a small percentage. And, discounting, gender dysphoria, we know that both “Nature” and “Nurture” affect both boys and girls. However, there are more than that number that are mentally confused. I think that time will show that the mentally confused is more “nurture” than “nature”. IOW, one cannot easily be changed from an XX to an XY as some researchers hoped.