Bring Back Cold

[ShockerFever]

No, I don't condone lawbreakers. Yes, I'm well aware of his "past" and "behind the scenes" crap. But he also added a little spice to the place and a different view on things. Some may not always agree with him, but it's a "different" POV.

Again, I think some of you just don't get his humor and are too soft around the edges. If he knowingly breaks the rules, sure, give him a week or two week timeout, cool-off period.

But a permanent ban?... for a non-troll?... for a Shocker fan?

There's about 5 people that currently have access to SN that I'd ban before Cold.

Let's not turn into the Mecca (Bradleyfans.com.. :roll: )

[Snapshot9]

I agree with Shockerfever. Other than a pure troll or spammer, I don't think anyone deserves a permanent ban.

A one month timeout, then a 3 month timeout, then a 6 month timeout. Maybe if a person had had 3 6 month timeouts and still didn't know how to play with other kids, then maybe a permanent ban then.

All of us get 'feverish' at times, only to realize it later on. I think with new management, that they could declare a pardon for bans, and let some back on, with the understanding that they are on probation for 90 days.

I, personally, know of some 'lurkers' that liked Cold quite a bit. Cold doesn't view the program through rose colored glasses, which I know put some people off, although I found it refreshing since I value truth more than just a warm and fuzzy feeling. I like HCGM quite a bit, although the jury is still out on him as far as performance for a coach. If he surpasses
Turgeon's record, I will, indeed, sing his praises. Turgeon's record speaks for itself.

[newshock1234]

No, I don't condone lawbreakers. Yes, I'm well aware of his "past" and "behind the scenes" crap. But he also added a little spice to the place and a different view on things. Some may not always agree with him, but it's a "different" POV.

Again, I think some of you just don't get his humor and are too soft around the edges. If he knowingly breaks the rules, sure, give him a week or two week timeout, cool-off period.

But a permanent ban?... for a non-troll?... for a Shocker fan?

There's about 5 people that currently have access to SN that I'd ban before Cold.

Let's not turn into the Mecca (Bradleyfans.com.. :roll: )

:yes:

[WUwolf]

The guy has edge,dont hate.Bring his ass back

[SubGod22]

How many temporary bans/timeouts should one get before enough is enough? Cold himself seemed fairly proud of the number of times he was allowed to come back.

I defended Cold quite a bit and enjoyed him up to a point. However, as others have said he lost himself somewhere and just kept going with no limits. When he started attacking multiple posters as well as the ShockerNet staff he went to far. Even then he was given at least one warning to which he didn't care and kept going.

He definitely has some wit but he thought a lot more of himself than anyone else did and appeared to think he was above the law. He'd let his VT personality take over and he took it everywhere. What he'd turned into on VT was bad enough. And when combined with others over there many people stopped participating. I'll occassionally check out that board but it's almost worthless anymore. There was no sense in allowing that kind of crap to infect this board.

ShockerNet is probably better off without him considering what he'd become. The SN staff were quite patient with him and he took advantage of that. This ban had nothing to do with differing opinions and everything to do with abusing the Rules of the board and constant personal attacks.

[ShockTalk]

Re: Cold

I fail to see an issue. There is a published set of guidelines that all members are instructed to read before posting. Cold ignored a number of the guidelines repeatedly for years. He continued to ignore them after being warned numerous times.

If he were kicked off without any warning, I might understand giving him a 2nd chance, but he was given numerous chances and continued to break the rules. While some of his posts were interesting, that does not change the fact that he thought he was above the rules of the Board.

I for one hate to see people out in public who completely ignore the laws, rules, etc. as if they believe they only apply to others and not to them.

If Cold (or anyone else) does not wish to follow the rules of this Board, he can always start his own Board and develop his own list of guidelines.

What part of this can anyone really argue with?


Shockerfever wrote:

But he also added a little spice to the place and a different view on things. Some may not always agree with him, but it's a "different" POV.

Nothing about his "different" POV I had a problem with. In fact, that's what a board should be about -- as long as it's civil discussion. Do we make an exception for Cold because he added a little spice? What happens when someone without his "spice" and humor, someone that almost nobody likes, breaks the same written rules after numerous warnings?


Snapshot 9 wrote:

Cold doesn't view the program through rose colored glasses, which I know put some people off, although I found it refreshing since I value truth more than just a warm and fuzzy feeling.

I think we should have more posters that take this approach. But that's not what got him banned. It's how he went about it.


SubGod22 wrote:

How many temporary bans/timeouts should one get before enough is enough? Cold himself seemed fairly proud of the number of times he was allowed to come back.

I defended Cold quite a bit and enjoyed him up to a point. However, as others have said he lost himself somewhere and just kept going with no limits. When he started attacking multiple posters as well as the ShockerNet staff he went to far. Even then he was given at least one warning to which he didn't care and kept going.

He definitely has some wit but he thought a lot more of himself than anyone else did and appeared to think he was above the law. He'd let his VT personality take over and he took it everywhere. What he'd turned into on VT was bad enough. And when combined with others over there many people stopped participating. I'll occassionally check out that board but it's almost worthless anymore. There was no sense in allowing that kind of crap to infect this board.

ShockerNet is probably better off without him considering what he'd become. The SN staff were quite patient with him and he took advantage of that. This ban had nothing to do with differing opinions and everything to do with abusing the Rules of the board and constant personal attacks.

:good: Exactly! One thing I know for sure, I don't want SN to turn into VT. A line has to be drawn. The rules were there, the warnings given, but not heeded.


mproviz wrote:

I don't know what's more funny and ironic; an entire forum preoccupied with a banned poster that hasn't posted for months, or a three day old thread calling for his return showing more posts (50 to 41) and views (1593 to 1489), than the fourteen day old stickied official goodbye thread of the twelve year founder who supposedly banned this poster. Interesting.

In Royal I Trust. After all the work that Royal has done to make this such an exceptional board and his desire to keep it that way, I'll bow to his judgement on this matter. ShockBand, welcome to the fun.

:wsu_posters: :clap: :wsu_posters:

[Ashockalypse]

Agreed.

[Ricardo del Rio]

My guess is that alot of the people clamoring for his return don't know the whole story and the behind the scenes stuff that he did.

Define "behind the scenes."

Identify three or more behind the scenes stuff and support the stuff with facts.

Lastly, as Paul Harvey might say, give us the rest of the untold story.

[Shoxfan11]

By creating this thread, you are giving Cold more attention than he's ever really dreamed of getting.. there really isn't any need to unban him anymore as he is most likely satisfied now.

If you guys want him to be on the board so bad, you might as well just go talk to him about starting the board that he threatened to make and get that going, LOL.

[ShockCity]

My guess is that alot of the people clamoring for his return don't know the whole story and the behind the scenes stuff that he did.

Define "behind the scenes."

Identify three or more behind the scenes stuff and support the stuff with facts.

Lastly, as Paul Harvey might say, give us the rest of the untold story.

Let's just say that he continued to defy Royal and the mods repeated requests to obey the rules. Really, nothing more needs to be said. He was given several warnings before the ban. It's not like all of a sudden Royal just decided to ban him or that it was just one incident. He thought he was above the rules and he found out the hard way that he wasn't.

Like someone said earlier, I had no problem with the points he made or the fact that he had a different opinion. The problem I, and alot of other people, had was that he felt like he could play by his own rules and that he was disrespectful and personally attacked other posters, even after being warned not to.

[shocklight]

My guess is that alot of the people clamoring for his return don't know the whole story and the behind the scenes stuff that he did.

Define "behind the scenes."

Identify three or more behind the scenes stuff and support the stuff with facts.

Lastly, as Paul Harvey might say, give us the rest of the untold story.

Let's just say that he continued to defy Royal and the mods repeated requests to obey the rules. Really, nothing more needs to be said. He was given several warnings before the ban. It's not like all of a sudden Royal just decided to ban him or that it was just one incident. He thought he was above the rules and he found out the hard way that he wasn't.

Like someone said earlier, I had no problem with the points he made or the fact that he had a different opinion. The problem I, and alot of other people, had was that he felt like he could play by his own rules and that he was disrespectful and personally attacked other posters, even after being warned not to.

What more can be said. Can we move on now?

[Smooth007]

My guess is that alot of the people clamoring for his return don't know the whole story and the behind the scenes stuff that he did.

Define "behind the scenes."

Identify three or more behind the scenes stuff and support the stuff with facts.

Lastly, as Paul Harvey might say, give us the rest of the untold story.

Let's just say that he continued to defy Royal and the mods repeated requests to obey the rules. Really, nothing more needs to be said. He was given several warnings before the ban. It's not like all of a sudden Royal just decided to ban him or that it was just one incident. He thought he was above the rules and he found out the hard way that he wasn't.

Like someone said earlier, I had no problem with the points he made or the fact that he had a different opinion. The problem I, and alot of other people, had was that he felt like he could play by his own rules and that he was disrespectful and personally attacked other posters, even after being warned not to.

You certainly balked on specifics after making a specific claim.

[ShockCity]

No I didn't. I'm following what Shockband said earlier. He said if anyone wants specifics to PM him. He is in charge. See, that's what they call following the rules.

[SpanglerFan316]

I don't really care either way. However the criticism of becoming more like "the Mecca" http://www.bradleyfans.com/ (see also http://valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=7443) does resonate a bit.

[ShockBand]

All your opinions are noted, however the ban will stand. I am moving the thread to the Off Topic section.