Zimmerman lawyers

[BenWSU]

One "notable" thing that hasn't been mentioned: 6 women actually agreed on something

[Dave Stalwart]

One "notable" thing that hasn't been mentioned: 6 women actually agreed on something

Case closed. There is just no argument anymore.

[1979Shocker]

One "notable" thing that hasn't been mentioned: 6 women actually agreed on something

They didn't agree at first. It was 3, 2, and 1.

[BenWSU]

They didn't agree at first. It was 3, 2, and 1.

I know but it didn't end up to be a hung jury like some cases

[SubGod22]

Here's a little discussion about the issue of race and black on black crime... Not that in depth but some interesting comments.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2549481510001/gutfeld-why-liberals-ignore-black-on-black-violence/

[1979Shocker]

Here's a little discussion about the issue of race and black on black crime... Not that in depth but some interesting comments.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/254948151...lack-violence/

In that video they only talked about black on black crime, but failed to talk about white on white crime.

On page 13 of Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008 put out by the Justice Department, it shows:

Most murders were intraracial
From 1980 through 2008—
84% of white victims were killed by whites (figure 19).
93% of black victims were killed by blacks.

This shows that homicides are usually committed against someone of the same race.

[SubGod22]

That's probably because nobody complains about race when it comes to black on white so there's no reason to bring up white on white. I think the point is that if you're going to complain about all of the "racial" crimes against blacks and how unfairly they're treated, they need to look to themselves and see what can be done on that end of things as there is a culture of violence and "thug" life in a lot of areas that nobody seems to want to deal with and talk about. And that doesn't strictly fall on blacks, it's very much an inner city thing that will leak outwards to some degree and effects all races. But minorities seem to be hit more by it. A lot fewer people will die because of violence if that aspect of society is addressed in some form. And as they were pointing out, how many violent murders were committed during the trial that got no air play? And its only because the media is a race baiting industry as much as Al Sharpton is. Hell, they're calling a guy who identifies as hispanic, white, in order to push an agenda. You can't do that when it's a couple of minorities that hurt each other.

[pinstripers]

Entirely possible that Sharpton, et al, were instructed by the Oduma administration to keep this event on the front page, overshadowing all of the political scandals.

[SubGod22]

Sir Charles Barkley weighs in

[SubGod22]

Obama gives the nation his two cents.

[Shoxfan11]

Sir Charles Barkley weighs in

Why can't Barkley make that much sense when he talks about Wichita State basketball?

[Kung Wu]

In that video they only talked about black on black crime, but failed to talk about white on white crime.

On page 13 of Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008 put out by the Justice Department, it shows:

Most murders were intraracial
From 1980 through 2008—
84% of white victims were killed by whites (figure 19).
93% of black victims were killed by blacks.

This shows that homicides are usually committed against someone of the same race.

From the same document (Table 1 on page 3):

Whites make up 82.9% of the population.
Blacks make up 12.6% of the population.
Others make up 4.4% of the population.

If each of these races had identical cultures and socioeconomic statuses and intermingled perfectly, then the percent of offenders by race would be reflected exactly by the population break down, and we should expect:


- A homicide victim should be killed by a white person about 82.9% of the time.
- A homicide victim should be killed by a black person about 12.6% of the time.

According to your number from this document:

- A white homicide victim was killed by a white person 84% of the time.
+ That gives a white-on-white error of 1.32% from what we expect if there were no cultural or socioeconomic issues { the calculation for error is: (84 - 82.9)/82.9 * 100 }.

- A black homicide victim was killed by a black person 93% of the time.
+ That gives a black-on-black error of 638% from what we expect if there were no cultural or socioeconomic issues { the calculation for the error is (93 - 12.6)/12.6 * 100 }.

That is so horrible that I had to verify the numbers and calculate it twice to believe it.

The seemingly innocuous statistic that you quoted actually proves that there is a very, very serious and disproportionate cultural and/or socioeconomic problem causing black-on-black crime in the black community.

[1979Shocker]

I couldn't tell from the figure 19 in the PDF, but white on black and black on white homicides are very low, which goes to show that whenever a crime is committed, it's usually against someone of their own race. And even though the white on white homicides as a percentage of the total homicides is a lot lower, white homicides for the most part are mainly committed against other whites.

[Kung Wu]

I couldn't tell from the figure 19 in the PDF, but white on black and black on white homicides are very low, which goes to show that whenever a crime is committed, it's usually against someone of their own race. And even though the white on white homicides as a percentage of the total homicides is a lot lower, white homicides for the most part are mainly committed against other whites.

A white homicide victim was killed by a black person about 9% of the time.
That gives an error of -28.57% from what we expect if there were no cultural or socioeconomic issues { the calculation for error is: (9 - 12.6)/12.6 * 100 }.

One could look at that and say, "Hmm, whites and blacks don't intermingle as much as the perfect colorless society we dreamed up." Or, "Blacks like whites better than we thought." Or, "Blacks are scared of spiders and white homes are often infested with spiders." Or any other crazy reason. There's nothing in that statistic that says there is a terrible cultural or socioeconomic crisis (even if the error is at -29%, the result undershoots which is a GOOD thing [there is no indication of racial tensions in the figure]).

But 638% OVER our expectation for black-on-black homicide?! There is only one conclusion that can be drawn: Terrible problem.

If you can't see that, you are uneducable. There really is nothing to argue about other than what is causing the crisis and how to solve the crisis. Because it is a crisis.

[1979Shocker]

There really is nothing to argue about other than what is causing the crisis and how to solve the crisis. Because it is a crisis.

And the crisis has been going on for over 30 years since these statistics came out, and long before that. And still there are no solutions. Or the solutions haven't worked. As soon as these statistics change and more black on white crimes start occurring, nothing will happen because it's a "their problem and doesn't affect us" mentality.