Seventh Woods '16 sg 6-1 offered to North Carolina

[Ricardo del Rio]

His stepdad bascially said if Fred played for KU or UK he'd be considered a high end prospect.

"Not so fast..."

[kcshocker11]

Follow the leader or sheep???

It's why Antoine Carr is STILL my favorite ALL-Time Shocker.

- Home grown
- Could've played anywhere
- Stayed home
- All-American
- 1st Round Pick
- 8th overall
- Played 18 Seasons in NBA

Gregg Marshall's trajectory. Shocker now national brand. It's all there for a 5 Star!!!

Still in MVC conference....arrrgghhh!!!! Kills it.

Got to get in that AAC conference asap

Also talked Cliff into attending WSU

[WSUwatcher]

I agree that his dad is mistaken, not so much about Fred being NBA capable, but about why he is being overlooked. I don't think it has much to do with the college he plays for, but instead is about two factors:

1. The NBA draft prospect rankings are often established before players ever set foot on a college campus. I've said before and I'll say it again, but the recruiting services/star ratings are far more about projecting guys for the NBA than for college, so if you weren't a 5 star recruit coming out of high school, you have an uphill climb to get drafted, regardless of where you go to college, and if you were a 5 star recruit, you have the inside track to getting drafted, regardless of where you go to college.

2. The NBA has a bias against drafting shorter players. There have been plenty of successful short point guards in the NBA, but it makes it really hard to get drafted if you aren't tall, especially in combination with first point. Yogi Ferrell is a good example of why this isn't about school affiliation. In spite of being at Indiana, and in spite of being a highly ranked high school recruit, he isn't getting much love on draft boards mostly because of his size.

Very good points, Hatter. If FVV were at a blueblood school, he'd still have the same ball skills, basketball IQ and smarts, court vision, and competitiveness -- but he'd also still be six feet tall, not lightning fast or madly athletic, and a very good but not extraordinary three-point and FT shooter. From all indications, Joe Danforth is a solid citizen and great father figure who played a huge role in making Fred the remarkable young man and player he is. We owe him a debt of gratitude. But just because he believes a common, and probably false, stereotype doesn't make it true.

As for Seventh Woods -- if he comes to WSU, the NBA won't lose sight of him any more than they've lost sight of Kevin Pangos because he plays at Gonzaga, or of Ron Baker, for that matter. It's a safe bet that not many NBA guys visit Scott City, and that it was Baker's performance -- at little old WSU! -- that caused people to take a second (and third, and fourth) look at him. WSU is NOT obscurity. So if a guy with Woods's "measureables" comes to WSU and plays the way one would expect him to, he'll be right there in the limelight whenever it's time to move on, and he'll probably have been coached up a little bit, too. Does anyone believe that prospective one-year wonder Perry Ellis would have a lower draft stock now if he had been wise enough to come to WSU? Not likely -- and he'd have had a better postseason career behind him, too.

[wu_shizzle]

Elfrid Payton played at Louisiana Laffayette and was drafted 10th overall.

It doesn't really matter where you play, as long as you can play.

[RoyalShock]

Elfrid Payton played at Louisiana Laffayette and was drafted 10th overall.

It doesn't really matter where you play, as long as you can play.

Damian Lilliard at Weber State is another example.

[Shock Top]

Damian Lilliard at Weber State is another example.

Steph Curry at Davidson.

Marshall recruited both SC and DL.

[wu_shizzle]

Steph Curry at Davidson.

Marshall recruited both SC and DL.

And both were Lottery Picks.

Multiple players from non-power conferences have even gone #1 overall.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Very good points, Hatter. If FVV were at a blueblood school, he'd still have the same ball skills, basketball IQ and smarts, court vision, and competitiveness -- but he'd also still be six feet tall, not lightning fast or madly athletic, and a very good but not extraordinary three-point and FT shooter. From all indications, Joe Danforth is a solid citizen and great father figure who played a huge role in making Fred the remarkable young man and player he is. We owe him a debt of gratitude. But just because he believes a common, and probably false, stereotype doesn't make it true.

As for Seventh Woods -- if he comes to WSU, the NBA won't lose sight of him any more than they've lost sight of Kevin Pangos because he plays at Gonzaga, or of Ron Baker, for that matter. It's a safe bet that not many NBA guys visit Scott City, and that it was Baker's performance -- at little old WSU! -- that caused people to take a second (and third, and fourth) look at him. WSU is NOT obscurity. So if a guy with Woods's "measureables" comes to WSU and plays the way one would expect him to, he'll be right there in the limelight whenever it's time to move on, and he'll probably have been coached up a little bit, too. Does anyone believe that prospective one-year wonder Perry Ellis would have a lower draft stock now if he had been wise enough to come to WSU? Not likely -- and he'd have had a better postseason career behind him, too.

To borrow a baseball expression, "If you can play, they (scouts) will find you."

[1972Shocker]

To borrow a baseball expression, "If you can play, they (scouts) will find you."

[1979Shocker]

Very good points, Hatter. If FVV were at a blueblood school, he'd still have the same ball skills, basketball IQ and smarts, court vision, and competitiveness -- but he'd also still be six feet tall, not lightning fast or madly athletic, and a very good but not extraordinary three-point and FT shooter. From all indications, Joe Danforth is a solid citizen and great father figure who played a huge role in making Fred the remarkable young man and player he is. We owe him a debt of gratitude. But just because he believes a common, and probably false, stereotype doesn't make it true.

Give WSU the front court players that some of the blue bloods have and FVV would probably have 2 or 3 more assists per game. If he had those types of players for 3-4 years, he could threaten Bobby Hurley's career assists record.

[CourtJester]

Ifs and buts and candy and nuts.

Give WSU the front court players that some of the blue bloods have and FVV would probably have 2 or 3 more assists per game. If he had those types of players for 3-4 years, he could threaten Bobby Hurley's career assists record.

[WSUwatcher]

Give WSU the front court players that some of the blue bloods have and FVV would probably have 2 or 3 more assists per game. If he had those types of players for 3-4 years, he could threaten Bobby Hurley's career assists record.

???

So what are you trying to do, 1979: convince FVV that he made a mistake by coming to WSU, or convince Seventh Woods that he needs to go play for a blueblood and pile up the assists?
(stage direction: coach reaching up with both index fingers, looking intently, and pointing to his temples...)

[choida]

Elfrid Payton played at Louisiana Laffayette and was drafted 10th overall.

It doesn't really matter where you play, as long as you can play.

Players from other countries are the best example...

[1979Shocker]

???

So what are you trying to do, 1979: convince FVV that he made a mistake by coming to WSU, or convince Seventh Woods that he needs to go play for a blueblood and pile up the assists?
(stage direction: coach reaching up with both index fingers, looking intently, and pointing to his temples...)

No. Do you think if we had a better front court that we would have more scoring inside? Who do you think would be getting the majority of those assists. And if we had worse scorers, who would lose out on more assists?

Oh, and one other thing. FVV didn't make a mistake coming to WSU. The front courts of blue blood made a mistake of not coming here to play with FVV.

[SirShoxAlot]

Steph Curry at Davidson.

Marshall recruited both SC and DL.

Don't forget about Kenneth Faried at Morehead State! Three of my favorite current pros.