Bush Wamukota 7 Foot C 2014 - is a Shocker!

[Capitol Shock II]

This is stupid. I loved watching eo and I'm going to love watching tom.

We are an elite program and we are in large part due to this coaching staffs recruiting efforts. I am reasonably sure that this staff doesn't recruit down and that if this kid didn't have some value for a program at our level he wouldn't have been invited to come here.

I can't wait to see this kid play.

[SHOXAAC]

This is stupid. I loved watching eo and I'm going to love watching tom.

We are an elite program and we are in large part due to this coaching staffs recruiting efforts. I am reasonably sure that this staff doesn't recruit down and that if this kid didn't have some value for a program at our level he wouldn't have been invited to come here.

I can't wait to see this kid play.

Thanks to contributing to the stupidness.
:-)

[60Shock]

At the start, I didn't think I would, but I really like this 3 man rotation at center.

Sure it would be great to have a Wilt, or whatever, but having a more than capable threesome with fresh legs, and 15 fouls to give certainly has its value.

[The Cat]

I remember watching the Shocker madness scrimmage during Bakers redshirt year and thinking he was a nice player for a walk on. Then last year before the season started I heard he was going to start and I began to question Marshall. Ron is going to be an NBA player and Marshall is a unique evaluator of talent and at some point we have to trust that Marshall knows what he is doing.

[SHOXAAC]

I remember watching the Shocker madness scrimmage during Bakers redshirt year and thinking he was a nice player for a walk on. Then last year before the season started I heard he was going to start and I began to question Marshall. Ron is going to be an NBA player and Marshall is a unique evaluator of talent and at some point we have to trust that Marshall knows what he is doing.

I generally agree, but I am still struggling with getting excited about Bush (I can't word this in any way that doesn't sound weird...talking about bush that is). I guess I'm just looking for another true post( ie: Miller, Stutz) to get excited that they will at least challenge for supremacy in the MVC.

[Capitol Shock II]

For those of you who haven't seen him at work, Shaq has become a chiseled man of iron. Those redshirts are paying their way and I'll bet Shaq is going to be a beast when he gets his opportunity.

I'm saying that I think Shaq is going to be great option at the post and we'll probably always have three true post options. At least one JC, one upperclassman and a red shirt at times.

[wufan]

For those of you who haven't seen him at work, Shaq has become a chiseled man of iron. Those redshirts are paying their way and I'll bet Shaq is going to be a beast when he gets his opportunity.

I'm saying that I think Shaq is going to be great option at the post and we'll probably always have three true post options. At least one JC, one upperclassman and a red shirt at times.

Great to hear that Shaq is working so hard!

[1979Shocker]

For those of you who haven't seen him at work, Shaq has become a chiseled man of iron. Those redshirts are paying their way and I'll bet Shaq is going to be a beast when he gets his opportunity.

I'm saying that I think Shaq is going to be great option at the post and we'll probably always have three true post options. At least one JC, one upperclassman and a red shirt at times.

You probably should have put that here.

http://shockernet.net/forum/showthread.php?16191-Shaq-Morris

People that don't read the recruiting forum will miss it.

[Aargh]

I think Marshall knows how to use an athletic 7' post player (who may have minimal stats) to win games that might otherwise be lost.

EO didn't score much, and it seemed his rebound numbers should have been better. His block numbers would have been better, but in general, anyone who got close enough to the rim to get a shot blocked was more likely to leave a brown stain on their shorts than to put up a shot.

Having EO as a deterrent around the rim allowed the perimeter players to cheat every passing lane, contest every 3 shot, and generally dare opponents to attempt to drive the lane.

There are no stats for what EO brought to the F4 team. I doubt the Shox get F4 rings without EO in the games. Those who rely on stats, rather than an understanding of how the game is played, will always undervalue what EO did. There are no stats for "opponents points prevented through fear and terror".

I'm confident Wamukota will be utilized the same way EO was utilized. An "eraser" down low who lets the rest of the team gamble on D and go for steals and points off turnovers.

The team can probably get 6 - 8 points a game off of gambling on D with an athletic 7' post player to cover failed defensive gambles. If an opponent can break down the Shox D with a drive to the hoop, an athletic 7' post player can probably prevent 4 - 6 points a game. That's 10 - 14 points a game that will never appear in a box score, but are directly attributable to an athletic 7' post player.

The intangibles don't stop there. With the Shox playing an aggreesive, gambling perimeter defense, the opponent can face frustration and get discouraged with the difficulty of running their offense. If an opponent starts to think there's not that much reward with breaking down the Shox' D and getting to the hoop, they might start settling for 3's even with a hand in their face.

Marshall knows how to use big, athletic post plyers whose stats don't reveal their true value to the team. Paul Miller was a devastating offensive threat. His D was never dominating. EO's D was dominating. Replace EO with Miller on last year's team, and I doubt the Shox make the F4. EO's D allowed the rest of the team to play a completely different style and philosophy of D than they could have played with Miller down there.

Wamukota will not have anything resembling even "interesting" stats next year. The rest of the team will be able to play differently because there's a jumping jack 7' eraser waiting if they lose a gamble on D. Imagine what VanVleet, Baker, and Cotton can do on D if they can gamble on letting their guy get past them.

[SHOXAAC]

I think Marshall knows how to use an athletic 7' post player (who may have minimal stats) to win games that might otherwise be lost.

EO didn't score much, and it seemed his rebound numbers should have been better. His block numbers would have been better, but in general, anyone who got close enough to the rim to get a shot blocked was more likely to leave a brown stain on their shorts than to put up a shot.

Having EO as a deterrent around the rim allowed the perimeter players to cheat every passing lane, contest every 3 shot, and generally dare opponents to attempt to drive the lane.

There are no stats for what EO brought to the F4 team. I doubt the Shox get F4 rings without EO in the games. Those who rely on stats, rather than an understanding of how the game is played, will always undervalue what EO did. There are no stats for "opponents points prevented through fear and terror".

I'm confident Wamukota will be utilized the same way EO was utilized. An "eraser" down low who lets the rest of the team gamble on D and go for steals and points off turnovers.

The team can probably get 6 - 8 points a game off of gambling on D with an athletic 7' post player to cover failed defensive gambles. If an opponent can break down the Shox D with a drive to the hoop, an athletic 7' post player can probably prevent 4 - 6 points a game. That's 10 - 14 points a game that will never appear in a box score, but are directly attributable to an athletic 7' post player.

The intangibles don't stop there. With the Shox playing an aggreesive, gambling perimeter defense, the opponent can face frustration and get discouraged with the difficulty of running their offense. If an opponent starts to think there's not that much reward with breaking down the Shox' D and getting to the hoop, they might start settling for 3's even with a hand in their face.

Marshall knows how to use big, athletic post plyers whose stats don't reveal their true value to the team. Paul Miller was a devastating offensive threat. His D was never dominating. EO's D was dominating. Replace EO with Miller on last year's team, and I doubt the Shox make the F4. EO's D allowed the rest of the team to play a completely different style and philosophy of D than they could have played with Miller down there.

Wamukota will not have anything resembling even "interesting" stats next year. The rest of the team will be able to play differently because there's a jumping jack 7' eraser waiting if they lose a gamble on D. Imagine what VanVleet, Baker, and Cotton can do on D if they can gamble on letting their guy get past them.

My guess is that what Miller would have brought to the table for 25+ minutes per game leading up to the FF would have trumped EO's 10 minutes. Don't fool yourself Aargh with your argument. It is full of holes.

[shockmonster]

Marshall tends to like rim protectors. Miller wasn't a rim protector but he could shoot. Don't forget that fans were unappreciative of Miller prior to his break out Senior year.

[pogo]

Marshall tends to like rim protectors. Miller wasn't a rim protector but he could shoot. Don't forget that fans were unappreciative of Miller prior to his break out Senior year.

If I remember correctly Paul wanted to hold the ball low on the block or take one dribble to kind of get himself set which allowed the D to collapse on him. He was a beast his senior year.

[pinstripers]

My guess is that what Miller would have brought to the table for 25+ minutes per game leading up to the FF would have trumped EO's 10 minutes. Don't fool yourself Aargh with your argument. It is full of holes.

Pretty good argument, if ya ask me. You are certainly correct that a first-team AA center would be better, though. Powerful insight.

[RoyalShock]

The offense ran through Miller his senior year because he was the most consistent producer on that team. Would his offense be valuable on this team? Or last year's team? Of course, but not to the degree it was in 2006 because we have more talent and scoring ability at nearly every other position on the floor, with the possible exception of Cooz. I doubt Paul would average double-figure points for this team just because he wouldn't get enough touches.

That said, while he wasn't a shot-blocker, Miller's defense was good enough that his overall contribution could be argued to be better than what EO gave us last year or what B-Wam will give next year. But it's not a slam-dunk, in my opinion.

[WSUwatcher]

At the start, I didn't think I would, but I really like this 3 man rotation at center.

Sure it would be great to have a Wilt, or whatever, but having a more than capable threesome with fresh legs, and 15 fouls to give certainly has its value.

Yes, it's nice to have lots of fouls available so people can play all out while they're on the court, although it's best for them to be able to do so without fouling. If you use too many of those 15 fouls, the other guys spend a lot of time on the line. But so far this season that hasn't really been a problem; the firm of Coleby, Lufile, and Carter is averaging just under six fouls per game, which nicely shows the value of being able to divide up the fouls.

One other nice thing about the three-man center this year is that they're averaging just under 48 minutes per game. So in addition to filling the C spot pretty capably, they've been able to help out some at PF.