RayQuawndis Mitchell 6'5 G UMKC Transfer

[Stickboy46]

If by “super stretch” you mean “rankings from 247.com.” Sure.

Also our average rating from 247… higher this year than last, too. So not really sure what your point is there?

You don’t know who else offered who we signed because clearly information is being shared differently with this regime than the last, but I too would be interested in that.

Fair enough about Pierre. Thought he was about this time.

I explained why the average rating was higher .. If you think Beverly is a 97 and Pierre is a 0 .. well .. there is a word for that.

Also, the information has nearly always been shared by the Player .. not the coaches. Now the coaches might not share who is visiting, but the coaches don't have control over a player listing who is contacting them prior to them signing. So yet again .. either we got the quietest team known to man .. or they weren't recruited by others. Your choice, but I'm guessing i know which you are choosing as you stick your head in the sand.

[ShockerExpress]

1. We got a commitment from Pierre in April
https://thesunflower.com/63321/sport...wsu-this-week/

Walton committed on May 12th. So basically this week. He was the 2nd to last player. The last was Shammah Scott signed in late July ...

2. You bought into the "pts" ranking. Gotcha .. that makes sense why you are disconnected from reality. You get extra points for sheer volume of bodies which is why we have so many points .. yet our "average ranking" is way lower than other teams in the 60s range. and last year they only included 3 of our players since they don't always update their rankings. Pierre never got updated off a 0 so he didn't count in the average. Okafor wasn't listed anywhere. Walton didn't count because he was JUCO, even though he was listed as the No 1 JUCO player at one point. Colby Rogers also wasn't included in the 2022 rankings for some reason. It only counted Ballard, Rojas and Bell. For this year, it's still giving points based on Beverlys 2019 HS ranking (.97) .. which is completely irrelevant after 4 years of college.

Another key comparison is looking at who we beat out for these recruits

Last Year:
Walton: LSU, K-State
Pierre: Miss State, Tulane, Murray State
Ballard: Syracuse
Rogers: Cal, Temple
Okafor: Miss State, Georgetown
Rojas: None listed
Bell: Never listed offers, but known listed contacts of Miss State, Tulsa, GCU, Clemson, Tulane
Scott: Cleveland St, Weber State, North Texas, Akron

So the vast majority of those we beat out were AAC or higher teams (outside of Scott who was the last really late add).

This year:
Germany: Vanderbilt
Joy: No other known offers
Beverly: No other known offers (but was likely poached before offers could come in)
Cortes: No other known offers

So either we landed the quietest, most secretive team in the world, or we are only landing players with no other good options (gonna throw the caveat that Beverly would have had more offers if he was in the portal more than 3 minutes)

You have to make a SUPER stretch to say the recruits we have landed this year look better than the recruits we landed last year. and all of them were landed this week or earlier last year.

Also very confused why 247 ranked all of this year’s shtty recruits with no offers, but then just didn’t bother with all of last year’s great recruits with all these P5 offers?

Hmm.

It’s almost like we’ve pulled in more notable players.

[ShockerExpress]

I explained why the average rating was higher .. If you think Beverly is a 97 and Pierre is a 0 .. well .. there is a word for that.

Also, the information has nearly always been shared by the Player .. not the coaches. Now the coaches might not share who is visiting, but the coaches don't have control over a player listing who is contacting them prior to them signing. So yet again .. either we got the quietest team known to man .. or they weren't recruited by others. Your choice, but I'm guessing i know which you are choosing as you stick your head in the sand.

I think there’s a reason why Beverly has a ranking and Pierre did not.

I don’t think that is an end all be all. But I don’t think it’s nothing.

I also don’t think you have a clue on where those team lists came from.

[Atxshoxfan]

Stick is a little like my brother, argues everything until the other guy just gives up, because they are tired of listening to him. Nobody is going to change his mind.

My brother, I just laugh about him.

[Stickboy46]

I think there’s a reason why Beverly has a ranking and Pierre did not.

I don’t think that is an end all be all. But I don’t think it’s nothing.

I also don’t think you have a clue on where those team lists came from.

Beverly has a ranking because 4 years ago, he was good in HS .. and since then has been pretty average. Pierre didn't have a ranking because he didn't have visibility in HS. He's also put up similar efficiency numbers to Beverly since then. So if you think the best measure of a kid is how good they were in HS and everything else after that doesn't matter .. then .. wow.

Listen, do I think Beverly is better than Pierre .. yes .. Do i think he's the massively different score that 247 thinks they are ? no .. not at all. You can't just take the raw score data. The best transfer ratings are the ones were people take an actual look at D1 production. Not just the auto generated number.

and as far as the lists?? Ah yes .. Tell me what I don't know. Please tell me who made up those lists. I'm dieing to hear how you think the coaches make up the lists of who is recruiting a player and tells them to Taylor.

[Stickboy46]

Stick is a little like my brother, argues everything until the other guy just gives up, because they are tired of listening to him. Nobody is going to change his mind.

My brother, I just laugh about him.

Meh .. takes two to argue. So if you want to laugh .. that's fine .. but should probably be laughing at Express's hilarious takes in here.

Also.. you know one of the main reason's we have so much time to argue about dumb stuff on here?? BECAUSE WE HAVE ZERO RECRUITING NEWS lol

[ShockerExpress]

Beverly has a ranking because 4 years ago, he was good in HS .. and since then has been pretty average. Pierre didn't have a ranking because he didn't have visibility in HS. He's also put up similar efficiency numbers to Beverly since then. So if you think the best measure of a kid is how good they were in HS and everything else after that doesn't matter .. then .. wow.

Listen, do I think Beverly is better than Pierre .. yes .. Do i think he's the massively different score that 247 thinks they are ? no .. not at all. You can't just take the raw score data. The best transfer ratings are the ones were people take an actual look at D1 production. Not just the auto generated number.

and as far as the lists?? Ah yes .. Tell me what I don't know. Please tell me who made up those lists. I'm dieing to hear how you think the coaches make up the lists of who is recruiting a player and tells them to Taylor.

dying*

And I don’t have a clue who came up with those lists. But neither do you. Which is literally the point.

I think it’s possible high school rankings are probably about the same predictor of success here as those lists might be.

I don’t think Gus O having “other Power 5 offers” means much when I don’t really understand how hard those schools were going after him/if they really offered or just reached out? That’s just an example. How many PPG did he average in whatever conference he was in? He didn’t even play here.

I don’t believe someone like Bijan Cortez, or Beverly, didn’t have interest from other AAC-like schools.

[Atxshoxfan]

Meh .. takes two to argue. So if you want to laugh .. that's fine .. but should probably be laughing at Express's hilarious takes in here.

Also.. you know one of the main reason's we have so much time to argue about dumb stuff on here?? BECAUSE WE HAVE ZERO RECRUITING NEWS lol

I find most of the arguments on SN funny because they are arguments from people who know little to nothing on the players they rate, nor do they have any idea what traits HCPM is searching for.

But you are absolutely correct about why there are so many meaningless arguments.

But I'll give you a laugh anyway, just to keep your laugh rating high.

Just screwing with you.

[Stickboy46]

dying*

And I don’t have a clue who came up with those lists. But neither do you. Which is literally the point.

I think it’s possible high school rankings are probably about the same predictor of success here as those lists might be.

I don’t think Gus O having “other Power 5 offers” means much when I don’t really understand how hard those schools were going after him/if they really offered or just reached out? That’s just an example. How many PPG did he average in whatever conference he was in? He didn’t even play here.

I don’t believe someone like Bijan Cortez, or Beverly, didn’t have interest from other AAC-like schools.

The lists were taken directly from Taylors articles after they signed. So if you are accusing Taylor of making stuff up .. go for it. I'm gonna go with that's what the player told him, which means its about as good of information as you can get. (though to be fair, could be embellished some). Some of them were based off of other Official visits they took .. which is a pretty good sign of mutual interest.

I'll give you Gus here .. but as most said during the year .. not for sure if Gus just didn't perform .. or just got on HCIB's crap list .. he had some really good games .. then wouldn't get in the game for weeks after that. So not sure he's a good case to make either way.

I already commented that Beverly likely would have if we didn't have him pre-committed basically. But Cortes? .. he's a 2ppg scorer over 2 years. Not hard to believe there would be minimal interest.

[Stickboy46]

I find most of the arguments on SN funny because they are arguments from people who know little to nothing on the players they rate, nor do they have any idea what traits HCPM is searching for.

But you are absolutely correct about why there are so many meaningless arguments.

But I'll give you a laugh anyway, just to keep your laugh rating high.

Just screwing with you.

Well ... it would be a pretty boring board if we only talked about things retroactively and didn't have discussions and "takes" before hand. It's easy to just look at everything in hindsight .. but that's not what sports are for. They are for getting hopes up .. and getting disappointed lol. I just have reached the disappointment cycle earlier than others.

[ShockerExpress]

The lists were taken directly from Taylors articles after they signed. So if you are accusing Taylor of making stuff up .. go for it. I'm gonna go with that's what the player told him, which means its about as good of information as you can get. (though to be fair, could be embellished some). Some of them were based off of other Official visits they took .. which is a pretty good sign of mutual interest.

I'll give you Gus here .. but as most said during the year .. not for sure if Gus just didn't perform .. or just got on HCIB's crap list .. he had some really good games .. then wouldn't get in the game for weeks after that. So not sure he's a good case to make either way.

I already commented that Beverly likely would have if we didn't have him pre-committed basically. But Cortes? .. he's a 2ppg scorer over 2 years. Not hard to believe there would be minimal interest.

Idk if you’re slow or just purposely misconstruing what I’m saying.

I am 100% certain Taylor didn’t make anything up.

The point I’m making with the lists is: we don’t really have a clue where they come from/exactly how hard those other teams were recruiting said player. Or if they just reached out for some kind of contact.

I have no idea what putting “Mississippi State” on a list next to Jaron Pierre’s name actually means.

I’m not saying they don’t mean anything. I just don’t know that they mean much.

Disagree on Cortez. Strongly.

[Stickboy46]

Idk if you’re slow or just purposely misconstruing what I’m saying.

I am 100% certain Taylor didn’t make anything up.

The point I’m making with the lists is: we don’t really have a clue where they come from/exactly how hard those other teams were recruiting said player. Or if they just reached out for some kind of contact.

I have no idea what putting “Mississippi State” on a list next to Jaron Pierre’s name actually means.

I’m not saying they don’t mean anything. I just don’t know that they mean much.

Disagree on Cortez. Strongly.

Cortes* ...You believe and know so much about him .. yet you don't even know how to spell his name (since you have misspelled it multiple times in this thread). He's a 2ppg scorer that couldn't beat out a kid that left WSU. He might end up being good .. but there isn't any data to suggest we should expect that. Only hopes and dreams.

As far as the schools .. I guess if you aren't going to believe anything anyone writes about who was recruiting them .. no matter how hard they were .... well .. nothing I can do to change your mind on that either.

Sunshine and Rainbows .. that's where we are. Everyone that left is bad .. everyone that is coming in is good!

[ShockerExpress]

Cortes* ...You believe and know so much about him .. yet you don't even know how to spell his name (since you have misspelled it multiple times in this thread). He's a 2ppg scorer that couldn't beat out a kid that left WSU. He might end up being good .. but there isn't any data to suggest we should expect that. Only hopes and dreams.

As far as the schools .. I guess if you aren't going to believe anything anyone writes about who was recruiting them .. no matter how hard they were .... well .. nothing I can do to change your mind on that either.

Sunshine and Rainbows .. that's where we are. Everyone that left is bad .. everyone that is coming in is good!

This is so disingenuous dude lol. Not even close to anything I’ve argued.

Your takes are bizarre.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Would you like to correct me? I do believe someone else posted that 97 of the Top 100 transfers have already committed elsewhere. The portal closes next week for immediate eligibility. So the players we can expect to be able to pick from should all be known within the week. Anyone else will need a waiver (which is unlikely). So we are either landing Freshman (isn't a bad thing but don't expect immediate impact from freshman) or lower end transfer.

I am LOLing because I trust our coach more than I trust your expert analysis and it’s also still early, trust me. Plenty of time. No need to panic, unless your looking for a reason to blast HCPM and hoping we don’t sign a good crop of players.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Meh .. takes two to argue. So if you want to laugh .. that's fine .. but should probably be laughing at Express's hilarious takes in here.

Also.. you know one of the main reason's we have so much time to argue about dumb stuff on here?? BECAUSE WE HAVE ZERO RECRUITING NEWS lol

So that’s it. Your butt hurt about HCPM not giving you personal recruiting updates daily so you’re making it your goal to play up the sky is falling narrative. Got it.