Pack 10 expansion

[shockkansas]

Veritas wrote: "Unless there is some last minute deal making going on behind the scenes, you can count on the demise of the Big XII with ISU, Baylor, and KSU on the outside.
K-State has a much better chance than ISU of doing something positive. I have no idea how ISU will wind up.
It's sad, but it is what it is. Years of a few BCS pretenders getting the benefit of the BCS prestige, RPI, money, etc may now have to work for a living."

Interesting comment. Do you have some info to share on where KU may land? Further, BCS is football. You call KSU a "pretender"? You do realize KSU has not only won the north (which KU has NOT) but has actually won the Big 12? In 1998, KSU was just a few seconds shy of the national championship game.

Please reflect on the last year and convince us that KSU is the pretender, while KU is the real deal! Football, KSU won, neither went to bowl game. Basketball, KSU advanced far beyond KU in post season. Baseball, etc.

While you are at it, convince us that KU has "institutional control" given the last years events.

[shox1989]

Now that Colorado has left the big 12, Governor Parkinson should ask the big 12 to invite WSU into the conference to take CU's place.

Maybe if the big 12 acted quickly to fill the holes, some of the other schools wouldn't be so quick to leave.

Afterall, CU is no big loss. They don't really contribute much to the big 12 anyway.

WSU is more centrally located in the conference than CU, we have a better basketball program, and we have a much better baseball program (CU doesn't even field a team). Shoot our colors are similar to the Buffaloes and our fan base would travel much better than theirs (we are very close to several big 12 schools).

Come on Governor, President Beggs, AD Sexton, Senators Brownback, Roberts, Congressman Moran, Tiahrt etal. let's get the ball rolling for WSU to take the place of CU and begin to save the big 12!

[shocker3]

That is too funny. WSU as the savior of the big 12.

Actually I would love it if the big 12 would send WSU an invite to join.

You are right that the big 12 should be pro-active, acting quickly to fill any holes. As soon as CU left they should have invited someone else in acting like it is no big deal.

It certainly would be better than wringing their hands, begging teams to stay and just acting like their demise is around the corner if one or two teams leave.

It appears that Texas first choice is to keep the big 12 in business. If that is truly the case, then quickly inviting another team as soon as one left would seem to be the best way to keep teams from jumping ship.

If Ku and Kstate were smart they would be asking the big 12 to invite WSU as soon as possible.
:wsu_posters:

PS- I think I am going to go on some other internet boards and start spreading this idea.

[SHOCKvalue]

This is getting better by the minute....the pure PANIC underway is a joy to sit back and watch.

I had a KU grad yelling at me today telling me it was lies, lies and the only thing that was happening was CU was leaving the conference. He said anything else was conjecture and B12 would be fine.

That guy is a little slow on the uptake when it comes to news about his alma mater. Maybe you should let him know that KU lost to UNI in the tournament, he'll probably be floored.

[Veritas]

Veritas wrote: "Unless there is some last minute deal making going on behind the scenes, you can count on the demise of the Big XII with ISU, Baylor, and KSU on the outside.
K-State has a much better chance than ISU of doing something positive. I have no idea how ISU will wind up.
It's sad, but it is what it is. Years of a few BCS pretenders getting the benefit of the BCS prestige, RPI, money, etc may now have to work for a living."

Interesting comment. Do you have some info to share on where KU may land? Further, BCS is football. You call KSU a "pretender"? You do realize KSU has not only won the north (which KU has NOT) but has actually won the Big 12? In 1998, KSU was just a few seconds shy of the national championship game.

Please reflect on the last year and convince us that KSU is the pretender, while KU is the real deal! Football, KSU won, neither went to bowl game. Basketball, KSU advanced far beyond KU in post season. Baseball, etc.

While you are at it, convince us that KU has "institutional control" given the last years events.

Interesting that you too think I was referencing K-State in my post as the "pretender."

[SHOCKvalue]

Veritas wrote: "Unless there is some last minute deal making going on behind the scenes, you can count on the demise of the Big XII with ISU, Baylor, and KSU on the outside.
K-State has a much better chance than ISU of doing something positive. I have no idea how ISU will wind up.
It's sad, but it is what it is. Years of a few BCS pretenders getting the benefit of the BCS prestige, RPI, money, etc may now have to work for a living."

Interesting comment. Do you have some info to share on where KU may land? Further, BCS is football. You call KSU a "pretender"? You do realize KSU has not only won the north (which KU has NOT) but has actually won the Big 12? In 1998, KSU was just a few seconds shy of the national championship game.

Please reflect on the last year and convince us that KSU is the pretender, while KU is the real deal! Football, KSU won, neither went to bowl game. Basketball, KSU advanced far beyond KU in post season. Baseball, etc.

While you are at it, convince us that KU has "institutional control" given the last years events.

I dislike KU probably as much as you do, grape. However, in the national sports press there has been MUCH talk about how inane it would be for KU to miss out on an invite, with what they have to offer. No such discussion for K-State.

Most objective people can recognize that ISU and KSU are the two schools with the weakest prospects for advancement in this nauseating mess. The ONLY chance either one has of not taking a step back is if the B12 (including the Texass schools) somehow survives. ISU might even have the leg up between the two since they are an AAU institution.

[Aargh]

The ineptitude in KSU's athletic department has doomed them to a worse fate than KU is facing. KSU might have had a toe (not a leg) to stand on if they had continued Snyder's success after he left. That didn't happen.

KSU's not-so-recent football success and recent resurgence in basketball is worth zip, zero, nada, in the current market. Their FB TV revenues are basically nothing.

KU will be doing good to get past this with anything resembling BCS status.

KSU will be doing good to get past this with anything above mid-major status.

[SB Shock]

I dislike KU probably as much as you do, grape. However, in the national sports press there has been MUCH talk about how inane it would be for KU to miss out on an invite, with what they have to offer.

But those talking heads are missing the point - KU brings nothing to the table in the category of $. These conferences are looking to expand in certain TV markets for negotiating TV contracts for football.

Bringing in KU doesn't enhance the conference in terms of football, and there are schools who would rather see KU fade away in basketball.

[WuDrWu]

Its beginning to look as if KU will be the beneficiary of even numbers.


The Big 12 will fall, and some other conference will need an even number of teams, and KU will probably be one of those teams.

Too bad, they deserve a different fate.

[LoneStar48]

This expansion for the Pac 10 does bring good news for the Shox; they were mentioned in the Dallas Morning News today. One of the columnists, Tim Cowlishaw, advocates bringing back some of the old MVC, Louisville, N Texas, and Wichita State, along with KSU, KU, and Missouri, and calling it the Back to the Future Conference.

Same edition, it is mentioned that KU could possibly go Pac 10 if A&M were to go SEC, or KU possibly moving to the Big East. Pretty soon, the NCAA will fall apart, and these BCS schools will have their own league. Not really much separating the BCS schools from the pros then.

[ShockTalk]

I dislike KU probably as much as you do, grape. However, in the national sports press there has been MUCH talk about how inane it would be for KU to miss out on an invite, with what they have to offer.

But those talking heads are missing the point - KU brings nothing to the table in the category of $. These conferences are looking to expand in certain TV markets for negotiating TV contracts for football.

Bringing in KU doesn't enhance the conference in terms of football, and there are schools who would rather see KU fade away in basketball.

I'll grant you that I don't know what this stat means for other schools and a conference, but I was surprised by it.

Most revenue received directly from TV, radio and Internet rights*
Ohio State: $15.8 million
North Carolina: $10.2 million
Alabama: $8.8 million
Kentucky: $7.5 million
Kansas: $6.9 million

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=4722523

[Aargh]

I dislike KU probably as much as you do, grape. However, in the national sports press there has been MUCH talk about how inane it would be for KU to miss out on an invite, with what they have to offer.

But those talking heads are missing the point - KU brings nothing to the table in the category of $. These conferences are looking to expand in certain TV markets for negotiating TV contracts for football.

Bringing in KU doesn't enhance the conference in terms of football, and there are schools who would rather see KU fade away in basketball.

I'll grant you that I don't know what this stat means for other schools and a conference, but I was surprised by it.

Most revenue received directly from TV, radio and Internet rights*
Ohio State: $15.8 million
North Carolina: $10.2 million
Alabama: $8.8 million
Kentucky: $7.5 million
Kansas: $6.9 million

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/n...ory?id=4722523

That looks like revenue that goes directly to the school rather than through the conference. that's typically basketball that's negotiated by the schools themselves. Football more prone to package deals the conference negotiates and then divides in some manner among the teams.

That's actually a problem for KU. They pretty much get to keep their basketball revenue. Other schools in the conference generate the football dollars that are divided among conference members. KU is not a factor in negotiating football packages for TV.

So, KU keeps their money from basketball and then gets a cut from the football package where they provide nothing. It's like KU is getting a welfare check from the conference for football just because they are a member of the league. While getting that welfare check, they've got this great job on the side selling basketball ticket - uh, I meant basketball broadcast rights - and they don't give any of that back to the conference.

Then they wonder why leagues don't want them.

[GarH]

From what I'm hearing A&M is the only Texas school looking at the SEC and they are split on the PAC or SEC. Regent Gene Stallings is the one pushing for the SEC, but he is facing a ton of resistance including the Governor and the other Texas schools. The other Texas schools don't want the SEC getting anymore of the Texas TV market or recruits. If A&M goes to the SEC, the rest of the Texas schools won't be scheduling them in any sports. I got to believe that will be the ultimate reason, along with pressure from the Governor that A&M ends up in the PAC. If they do cut their own throat the PAC will either take KU or Utah.

[GarH]

Cal didn't want Baylor in the PAC. Baylor was going to try to get the rest of Texas to back Baylor instead of Colorado so the PAC picked Colarado first and eliminated that problem.

[GarH]

Sounds like A&M will be joining Texas, TT, OU and OSU in the PAC. I know for the PAC it's a necessary evil if they want to keep up with the Big-10 and the SEC, but I certainly not crazy about the way things are going. I don't really care for split conferences. I prefer to play every team in the conference. I was glad the PAC had chosen not to expand up till now. I know that the PAC had to do this to stay competitive, but it's still hard to swallow. Now Arizona will only play 2 football games a year against the old PAC and 7 games against what was mainly the Big-12 south (trade Colorado for Baylor). As a fan of non BCS teams I also don't care for the possible implications of this. Living in Arizona, I already don't get to watch as many Shockers games as I want. The last thing in the world I want to see is less non BCS teams getting covered. Last year I got the chance to watch more Shocker games than I had in the past. I want to see more, not less.