At-Large

[SB Shock]

Which 2 teams are you going to choose up above from the 5 for at-large?

Probably Team B and Team E based on their records against the Top 50 and Top 100 (10-6 for Team B and 6-5 for Team E). Team B loses some because of the last 10 games. Team E gets in because of the last 10 games. Team D did good their last 10 games, but didn't do as well against the Top 50.

Is Team B the Shockers? Who are the others?

This is where they need the teams assigned a number to keep everything unbiased.

Team A - Georgia Tech
Team B - WSU
Team C - Wake Forest
Team D - Arizona St.
Team E - Washington

I think if you try an look things from an objective view you realize that WSU resume is not "dead" but you can see where they are weak (e.g. Record vs Top 50) and where there strengths are.

Here is some other teams that are supposedly at-large material.

Top 50: 0-4
Top 100: 5-1
Top 200: 8-1
Top 201+: 13-0
Last 10: 8-2

or

Top 50: 2-5
Top 100: 5-0
Top 200: 7-2
Top 201+: 9-1
Last 10: 8-2

or

Top 50: 4-8
Top 100: 1-2
Top 200: 7-3
Top 201+: 6-0
Last 10: 5-5

Frankly I can see why WSU won't get an at-large, but what will piss me off is when some team that does get at-large who's resume is not as good as WSU.

[kstarheel]

Wichita State > Wake Forest

Wake lost to UNC at home... that is a big deal this year.

[Aargh]

I checked this stuff out through about 8 years of history and found that an RPI of 41-43 is almost a guarantee of an NCAA bid - for a BCS team.

The "almost guaranteed" level for non-BCS is around the mid-30's. MSU had some years that were way off the charts compared to everything else that's happened in relation to RPI.

We need some way to quantify the style points that keep getting thrown into the selection process. Right now, it's a bit like judging ice skating.

[newshock1234]

has a non bcs team ever gotten in with a low 40s rpi?

[HockeyShock]

has a non bcs team ever gotten in with a low 40s rpi?

Ask Missouri State.

:clap: :wsu_posters: :yahoo: :clap:

[Aargh]

has a non bcs team ever gotten in with a low 40s rpi?

I'm doing this off of memory of some research I did a couple of years ago, but , yes.

41-43 RPI was almost the automatic number. The only exceptions were an occasional non-BCS school that missed out at that number. The invites above that number range were scattered BCS schools and sometimes a non-BCS. I think Air Force got a bid with a 50+ RPI one year.

As I recall, an RPI of 41 or below never missed a bid, except for a very few non-BCS schools. At the time I looked, 41 was "you're in - no doubt". 43 was "you're in - unless there's a disaster in your resume. Not many 42 or 43 schools didn't get an invite.

I believe I did that research the same year that WSU, BU, and GMU all made the S16, and GMU made the F4. That changed a lot and the BCS good old boy network isn't about to let that happen again.

Non-BCS teams tend to get each other in early rounds. That cuts the field in half for those who might upset BCS teams. After that the non-BCS teams seem to have tough BCS matchups to make it to the S16, but I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist. Nah, not me.

[melcong4]

so what teams have to win or lose for us to have a better chance than we do now?? Who do we need to be rooting for or against? :)

[Aargh]

so what teams have to win or lose for us to have a better chance than we do now?? Who do we need to be rooting for or against? :)

We're out. This is post-2006.

If a BCS team had the identical SOS, record, RPI value of W's and L's - even including the bad loss at UE, the BCS team is in. WSU is so far out there's no need in considering Selection Sunday.

[melcong4]

so what teams have to win or lose for us to have a better chance than we do now?? Who do we need to be rooting for or against? :)

We're out. This is post-2006.

If a BCS team had the identical SOS, record, RPI value of W's and L's - even including the bad loss at UE, the BCS team is in. WSU is so far out there's no need in considering Selection Sunday.

I do not disagree....just interesting to follow the possibly scenarios. For example, on Joe Lunardi's last four in - -uconn is now in that list, along with ND, Rhode Island, and SDSU

[shockall]

Unfortunately, the MVC was and will be considered a weak conference this year on selection Sunday. It will probably have only one team in the NCAA tourney. Although many would like to entertain the idea of being in the big dance this year, IMHO, it would be best to bolster the team up for a run next year and be competitive, rather than end up a 15 or 16 seed and get blown out of the water the first game. We aren't ready yet!

[fastbow]

It's not about the BCS! If anything is gonna screw us, it's our Average RPI Loss number...

That's where the BCS illusion comes from. They get a lot of built-in high RPI teams. We had St. Mary's School for the Blind and NJIT on our schedule. It's not that the committee is biased, it's that the leagues themselves damage the smaller guys.

Ever wonder how we got 3 at-large bids in 2006? Everyone scheduled tough and delivered.

Are we in? Probably not. Are we out because of an anti-mid-major conspiracy in the selection committee? Hell no. We're out because of an anti-mid-major conspiracy in scheduling. This problem happens in August, not March.

[martymoose]

We aren't getting into the NCAA tournament. Lock this thread now! :D

Putting in my order for NIT tickets as we speak.

[shocker3]

While I would be totally shocked if we get in, SB Shocks numbers show that we are just as worthy as several other bubble (and some teams that are considered safely in) teams.

That's what makes me so mad at this time of year. :wsu_posters:

[Ixiah]

Unfortunately, the MVC was and will be considered a weak conference this year on selection Sunday. It will probably have only one team in the NCAA tourney. Although many would like to entertain the idea of being in the big dance this year, IMHO, it would be best to bolster the team up for a run next year and be competitive, rather than end up a 15 or 16 seed and get blown out of the water the first game. We aren't ready yet!

With all the other minor conferences there is no way that WSU would be seeded a 15 or 16. Someone asked today on the radio and the guess was that WSU would be seeded somewhere between a 7 and a 9 (if they were to get in).

My opinion - WSU is probably playing in the NIT and gets another home game for Hannah! If they get picked for the NCAA then its a bonus.

[GO_SHOCKERS]

If WSU got in it would not be a 7-9 seed, generally the last 4 teams in get 12 seeds. Seeds 13-16 are reserved for the auto qualifiers from the small conferences.