The Fix Was In

[Aargh]

I don't fault the officials. CU wasn't paying them, the MVC was paying them. The MVC gets to do things like tell officials "points of emphasis" they want enforced and they get to talk to officials individually. There could even be differing "points of emphasis" in different games for various reasons.

Altman has had a very cozy relationship with the MVC for a long time. It seems logical that this year the MVC should "want" WSU to get some breaks and have an at large shot.

If I were betting man, I'd put my money on Dana providing miles of film to the MVC illustrating infractions not called against WSU and begging the MVC to end the advantage given WSU and make those uncalled infractions points of emphasis for the game in Omaha.

I don't think the refs fix games, but I think there is a "good old boy" network that can influence how the games are called to provide an advantage to one team or another. If the refs don't call the game according to the conferences "points of emphasis", they're going to start losing officiating gigs.

[MadDog]

I think in some way that we, the fans that attend the games, may have something to do with this. Admittedly, I haven't been to a lot of D1 games outside of Wichita, but we Shocker fans lustily boo and swear at the refs every game. They're human, and I'm sure that sticks with them. And when we're on the road, everyone likes it when they make calls against us. My opinion is we get a much more favorable whistle in non-con games where there are no MVC/B12 refs involved.

[wu_shizzle]

I think in some way that we, the fans that attend the games, may have something to do with this. Admittedly, I haven't been to a lot of D1 games outside of Wichita, but we Shocker fans lustily boo and swear at the refs every game. They're human, and I'm sure that sticks with them. And when we're on the road, everyone likes it when they make calls against us. My opinion is we get a much more favorable whistle in non-con games where there are no MVC/B12 refs involved.

Great point.

We seem to be allowed to play a more physical style on the road in the Non-Con.

[Snapshot9]

Parts of the game smacked of the referees being pro Creighton. A lot of the fouls were questionable at the very least, especially the first ten minutes of the second half.

Irregardless though, the Shox could have won this game, and fell short, Marshell, I feel, fell short in this game, and I am sure it will haunt him for a long time because a win here would have been a minor milestone for our team on the road.

If Hannah would have been in the game more, we would have won.

[DoubleJayAlum]

This happens to nearly every valley team that visits Creighton. The refs decide the game in the first 30 minutes.

I beg to differ.

1. Northern Iowa has won their last two games at the Qwest.
2. Coming into this year, Drake had two consecutive wins in Omaha.
3. A couple of years ago, Illinois St. blew us out at the Qwest.
4. Until their recent slide, SIU had never even lost a single game at the Qwest.
5. In the history of the Qwest, Creighton has never had a season where they are undefeated, in conference, at home.

[MTXE]

This happens to nearly every valley team that visits Creighton. The refs decide the game in the first 30 minutes.

I beg to differ.

1. Northern Iowa has won their last two games at the Qwest.
2. Coming into this year, Drake had two consecutive wins in Omaha.
3. A couple of years ago, Illinois St. blew us out at the Qwest.
4. Until their recent slide, SIU had never even lost a single game at the Qwest.
5. In the history of the Qwest, Creighton has never had a season where they are undefeated, in conference, at home.

Ouch. Don't bring that stuff in here and expect to escape with your hide. :)

[troutangler]

I'll take all of this "blame the referees" garbage seriously when home team fans come on their message board after every home win and talk about how the only reason they won was because the referees helped them. Until then, this stuff is all a bunch of know-nothing fans whining about stuff they well....know nothing about.

This is not unique to WSU's board though. Visit most MVC boards after a loss, and it is usually a case that the officials are out to get them.

Basically, it goes like this:

If we win, we played better than our opponent and our coach out-coached them.

If we lose, the refs screwed us.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

[troutangler]

I don't fault the officials. CU wasn't paying them, the MVC was paying them. The MVC gets to do things like tell officials "points of emphasis" they want enforced and they get to talk to officials individually. There could even be differing "points of emphasis" in different games for various reasons.

Altman has had a very cozy relationship with the MVC for a long time. It seems logical that this year the MVC should "want" WSU to get some breaks and have an at large shot.

If I were betting man, I'd put my money on Dana providing miles of film to the MVC illustrating infractions not called against WSU and begging the MVC to end the advantage given WSU and make those uncalled infractions points of emphasis for the game in Omaha.

I don't think the refs fix games, but I think there is a "good old boy" network that can influence how the games are called to provide an advantage to one team or another. If the refs don't call the game according to the conferences "points of emphasis", they're going to start losing officiating gigs.

This is not how it works. You don't know what you're talking about.

[ShockTalk]

Make of this what you will of referees in WSU-CU game:

All stats are based on referees in the top 100 of most games officiated.

Hall does mostly MVC, MWC, P-10
Olson MVC, C-USA, B-12
Wymer MAC, Summit, B-10

All 3 referees are in the top 50 in most games officiated this year, Hall tied for 1st.

All 3 in the top 100 for most fouls called. Hall #20, Weymer #30, Olson #83.

Hall has done more, or as many, Creighton games over the last three years than any other team he's officiated, Valley or otherwise.

Olson has done more Creighton games than any other Valley team over the last three years and Creighton was 1st, tied 2nd, and tied 2nd in most games of all teams he's officiated.

Wymer doesn't do many MVC games.

Largest foul margin in favor of home team: Wymer #6, Olson #26, Hall #40.

Still don't believe in the fix theory, but interested stats none the less.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Make of this what you will of referees in WSU-CU game:

All stats are based on referees in the top 100 of most games officiated.

Hall does mostly MVC, MWC, P-10
Olson MVC, C-USA, B-12
Wymer MAC, Summit, B-10

All 3 referees are in the top 50 in most games officiated this year, Hall tied for 1st.

All 3 in the top 100 for most fouls called. Hall #20, Weymer #30, Olson #83.

Hall has done more, or as many, Creighton games over the last three years than any other team he's officiated, Valley or otherwise.

Olson has done more Creighton games than any other Valley team over the last three years and Creighton was 1st, tied 2nd, and tied 2nd in most games of all teams he's officiated.

Wymer doesn't do many MVC games.

Largest foul margin in favor of home team: Wymer #6, Olson #26, Hall #40.

Still don't believe in the fix theory, but interested stats none the less.

One thing to keep in mind --

Of the "regular" MVC officials, John Higgins is not allowed to do Creighton games because he lives in Omaha. As a result, the number of all of the other officials that do MVC games will naturally be higher.

BTW, I think Hall may be doing the Drake-Illinois St game right now.

[kcshocker11]

I did find it odd how every foul was called except the one in the last 13 secs of the gam.

[ShockerFever]

This happens to nearly every valley team that visits Creighton. The refs decide the game in the first 30 minutes.

I beg to differ.

1. Northern Iowa has won their last two games at the Qwest.
2. Coming into this year, Drake had two consecutive wins in Omaha.
3. A couple of years ago, Illinois St. blew us out at the Qwest.
4. Until their recent slide, SIU had never even lost a single game at the Qwest.
5. In the history of the Qwest, Creighton has never had a season where they are undefeated, in conference, at home.

What does UNI, Drake, Illinois State, SIU, and others have to do with WSU in Omaha?

You're not getting it.

[Shoxfan11]

Make of this what you will of referees in WSU-CU game:

All stats are based on referees in the top 100 of most games officiated.

Hall does mostly MVC, MWC, P-10
Olson MVC, C-USA, B-12
Wymer MAC, Summit, B-10

All 3 referees are in the top 50 in most games officiated this year, Hall tied for 1st.

All 3 in the top 100 for most fouls called. Hall #20, Weymer #30, Olson #83.

Hall has done more, or as many, Creighton games over the last three years than any other team he's officiated, Valley or otherwise.

Olson has done more Creighton games than any other Valley team over the last three years and Creighton was 1st, tied 2nd, and tied 2nd in most games of all teams he's officiated.

Wymer doesn't do many MVC games.

Largest foul margin in favor of home team: Wymer #6, Olson #26, Hall #40.

Still don't believe in the fix theory, but interested stats none the less.

One thing to keep in mind --

Of the "regular" MVC officials, John Higgins is not allowed to do Creighton games because he lives in Omaha. As a result, the number of all of the other officials that do MVC games will naturally be higher.

BTW, I think Hall may be doing the Drake-Illinois St game right now.

That's unfortunate cause Higgins is one of the top guys out there, too.

[newshock1234]

actually this thread should be renamed to "The Fix part 2"

[DoubleJayAlum]

This happens to nearly every valley team that visits Creighton. The refs decide the game in the first 30 minutes.

I beg to differ.

1. Northern Iowa has won their last two games at the Qwest.
2. Coming into this year, Drake had two consecutive wins in Omaha.
3. A couple of years ago, Illinois St. blew us out at the Qwest.
4. Until their recent slide, SIU had never even lost a single game at the Qwest.
5. In the history of the Qwest, Creighton has never had a season where they are undefeated, in conference, at home.

What does UNI, Drake, Illinois State, SIU, and others have to do with WSU in Omaha?

You're not getting it.

Take a look at the post that I quoted. The insinuation was that nobody has a fair chance in Omaha. I showed how almost half the conference has been able to win a game or several in Omaha to show how silly the comment was.