The Fix Was In

[ShockerFever]

This happens to nearly every valley team that visits Creighton. The refs decide the game in the first 30 minutes.

I beg to differ.

1. Northern Iowa has won their last two games at the Qwest.
2. Coming into this year, Drake had two consecutive wins in Omaha.
3. A couple of years ago, Illinois St. blew us out at the Qwest.
4. Until their recent slide, SIU had never even lost a single game at the Qwest.
5. In the history of the Qwest, Creighton has never had a season where they are undefeated, in conference, at home.

What does UNI, Drake, Illinois State, SIU, and others have to do with WSU in Omaha?

You're not getting it.

Take a look at the post that I quoted. The insinuation was that nobody has a fair chance in Omaha. I showed how almost half the conference has been able to win a game or several in Omaha to show how silly the comment was.

See, you didn't get it.

UNI, Drake, Illinois State, SIU, and others have nothing to do with Wichita State in Omaha.

I'm actually quite stunned at how badly we played and still only lost by 1 to the conference pre season's #2 team.

One team has underachieved while another has overachieved.

[notquiteBWing]

I did find it odd how every foul was called except the one in the last 13 secs of the gam.

i agree. that blows my mind the most.

i dont think there was a fix.
i dont think they were out to get us.
from what i remember, the fouls they called, (though ticky tacky) seemed legit.

BUT... honestly... they called every little bump... every bump until the last 12 point however many seconds. frustrating.

watching it live it almost seemed like the time hadnt even expired yet and the refs where headed for the door.

maybe the didnt want an overtime. idk.
depressing ending though.

[Ashockalypse]

We beat them in virtually every other category except number of free throws.

[swish1]

This happens to nearly every valley team that visits Creighton. The refs decide the game in the first 30 minutes.

I beg to differ.

1. Northern Iowa has won their last two games at the Qwest.
2. Coming into this year, Drake had two consecutive wins in Omaha.
3. A couple of years ago, Illinois St. blew us out at the Qwest.
4. Until their recent slide, SIU had never even lost a single game at the Qwest.
5. In the history of the Qwest, Creighton has never had a season where they are undefeated, in conference, at home.

What does UNI, Drake, Illinois State, SIU, and others have to do with WSU in Omaha?

You're not getting it.

Take a look at the post that I quoted. The insinuation was that nobody has a fair chance in Omaha. I showed how almost half the conference has been able to win a game or several in Omaha to show how silly the comment was.

See, you didn't get it.

UNI, Drake, Illinois State, SIU, and others have nothing to do with Wichita State in Omaha.

I'm actually quite stunned at how badly we played and still only lost by 1 to the conference pre season's #2 team.

One team has underachieved while another has overachieved.

who does get it?

[ShockerGorilla]

Paul's take on the refs in the final seconds of the game

After watching the final nine seconds of Saturday’s game again, I was struck by how far out of the play the referees were when Creighton inbounded the ball into the backcourt. One referee went upcourt, anticipating Creighton bringing the ball up. When the Bluejay player, almost ready to be trapped, lost the ball backward, the referee on that side of the court was at the opposite three-point line while the ball was at the foul line. One ref was on the other side of the court. One ref was underneath the opposite baseline. I don’t know enough about officiating mechanics to know if they were supposed to be in better position. I do know it was hard for them to see the Shockers grabbing at the Bluejays from that far away. P’Allen Stinnett bobbling the ball may have been the best thing to happen for Creighton.

[MikeShox]

This happens to nearly every valley team that visits Creighton. The refs decide the game in the first 30 minutes.

I beg to differ.

1. Northern Iowa has won their last two games at the Qwest.
2. Coming into this year, Drake had two consecutive wins in Omaha.
3. A couple of years ago, Illinois St. blew us out at the Qwest.
4. Until their recent slide, SIU had never even lost a single game at the Qwest.
5. In the history of the Qwest, Creighton has never had a season where they are undefeated, in conference, at home.

What does UNI, Drake, Illinois State, SIU, and others have to do with WSU in Omaha?

You're not getting it.

Take a look at the post that I quoted. The insinuation was that nobody has a fair chance in Omaha. I showed how almost half the conference has been able to win a game or several in Omaha to show how silly the comment was.

See, you didn't get it.

UNI, Drake, Illinois State, SIU, and others have nothing to do with Wichita State in Omaha.

I'm actually quite stunned at how badly we played and still only lost by 1 to the conference pre season's #2 team.

One team has underachieved while another has overachieved.

Personally, I understand what DoubleJay is saying in that he is simply responding to Capital Shock's statement "[b]This happens to nearly every valley team that visits Creighton. The refs decide the game in the first 30 minutes."[/b] He is attempting to provide proof that Capital Shock is wrong in that statement.

[jocoshock]

Everytime we lose, heck, even when we win for that matter, the whiners come out of the wood work and complain about officiating and/or blame the loss because of them. Today is no different than the constant whining I've seen over the past years.

Folks, get over it. We held CU to 57 points, one less than they scored at our place a week ago. We lost because the Shox did not shoot very well today plain and simple. Heck, if they make their season average of 76 percent free throws as a team, they win.

This thread should have ended here.... simple truth...

[ShockerFever]

Everytime we lose, heck, even when we win for that matter, the whiners come out of the wood work and complain about officiating and/or blame the loss because of them. Today is no different than the constant whining I've seen over the past years.

Folks, get over it. We held CU to 57 points, one less than they scored at our place a week ago. We lost because the Shox did not shoot very well today plain and simple. Heck, if they make their season average of 76 percent free throws as a team, they win.

This thread should have ended here.... simple truth...

Nice bump. :good:

[Capitol Shock]

Winning a game doesn't mean the game was called evenly. And obviously I shouldn't have stated that it happens to every team that visits Creighton...just more often than not in my opinion.

It would be interesting to see what the foul margin is on visiting teams at CU vs. a national average.

I recall watching several games at Omaha and seeing the same foul parade I saw on Saturday. SIU comes to mind.

Maybe it's the 16,000 fans that increase the odds of the calls going against you?

[lostshocker]

Maybe it's the 16,000 fans that increase the odds of the calls going against you?

naw, even when the crowd is split they get the calls.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Well, the Big 12 thought highly enough of Olsen and Hall that it had them officiate a nationally televised broadcast of two top ten teams (one of which was #1 in the nation) last night.

I haven't seen any newspaper articles where Rick Barnes has been quoted with complaints of officiating basis.

[DoubleJayAlum]

I recall watching several games at Omaha and seeing the same foul parade I saw on Saturday. SIU comes to mind.

I'm not sure what you are watching.

When SIU was playing in their thugball days, the biggest complaint when they came to Omaha (just like when they came to Wichita) was that they weren't called for obvious fouls.

[60Shock]

We was robbed! The fact that we was robbed every blasted game we have ever played makes no difference. Win or lose, we was robbed.

Everybody is out to get us. Everybody hates us (perhaps we might just want to examine this a little closer as to why?).

The only reason we have ever lost a single BB game, since time began, can be blamed on the stupid, dumb, blind, crooked refs who are selectedly picked by the some unknown MVC official(s) who is /are clearly out to screw us.

Wow, I sure do feel a lot better since I now have been convinced that the only reason we ever lost a single basketball game, ever, was because "we was robbed."

[vbird53]

Fact is that everything, and I mean everything went against WSU during that game.

1) Not hitting shots
2) Foul trouble
3) Missed free throws
4) Poor officiating

It wasn't one thing, but a whole list of things that contributed to a 1 point loss on the road. I pray that we get another crack at CU in STL.

[Capitol Shock]

Did I read the stats in correctly in the officiating thread that Creighton has a four foul advantage on average over visiting teams? So there are most certainly games where the advantage far exceeds four, maybe by 100%? So a chance at a 16 point difference at the line?

That's huge. I wish the Shockers could have an eight to sixteen point advantage every time we played at home.