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[Fredster]

Mr. Ellis obviously is a Jekyl and Hyde character on the court. He plays very well defensively, but is a liability on the other end of the court. I would like to see Gabe Blair get the start and Ellis come off the bench and see how that works. We need 10 points a game from that starting position and are not getting it. What do you think?

[Dan]

we defintely need more than zero points and 2 rebounds. Effective screening aside, he needs to be in the mix more than he is showing on the stat sheet.

[kcshocker11]

I think Ill stick with the coach that has gotten us this fars decision.(not trying to be a smart@#$%)

[tgcshock]

As I posted on the redshirt thread HCGM sees his play much differently than the critics.

The Shocker fan base is very basketball saavy and usually appreciates the guys who do the dirty work to make the team's offense and defense run right. Ellis is clearly one of those guys and I suspect most of the WSU fans recognize and appreciate it.

[pinstripers]

I have no problem at all with his performance.

[Dan]

you don't redshirt guys because they aren't good players. It's so you can get them to their full potential and have them be more helpful to the team as 5th year seniors - i.e. Troy Mack.

[tropicalshox]

We've been in a "if it's not broke don't fix it," situation. Blair has been an outstanding 6th man.

The audio to Shockervision last night was the Bear's radio announcers. For some reason I had to listen to them a couple of years ago when the Bears beat the Shockers. I like them better last night. The play by play guy had an interesting comment when the Shocker's were situational subbing Blair and Ellis at the end of the game. He said although Ellis starts, Blair is the better player. I'm not going to argue with him.

[The Mad Hatter]

We've been in a "if it's not broke don't fix it," situation. Blair has been an outstanding 6th man.

The audio to Shockervision last night was the Bear's radio announcers. For some reason I had to listen to them a couple of years ago when the Bears beat the Shockers. I like them better last night. The play by play guy had an interesting comment when the Shocker's were situational subbing Blair and Ellis at the end of the game. He said although Ellis starts, Blair is the better player. I'm not going to argue with him.

Don't get me wrong, I like Gabe a lot, but I'm not sold on his defense. I've seen a lot of guys make jump shots on him because he often fails to get his hands up to contest the shot at the point of release.

Marshall has talked about how he wants defenders to not put a hand in the face, but a hand by the release point, and Blair as consistent as Ellis at doing this.

[tgcshock]

you don't redshirt guys because they aren't good players. It's so you can get them to their full potential and have them be more helpful to the team as 5th year seniors - i.e. Troy Mack.

I guess we just have a basic disagreement about how helpful Ellis is being to this team. Coach Marshall has indicated that this team is scoring points because of what Ellis is doing in the offense. Ellis is not scoring most of them but they are happening as a result of plays he is making. I have no problem with calling that very productive play.

[martymoose]

Another Ellis thread??? Drop it already!...if you have something to say, use the exsisting thread.

[Rosewood]

I love Gabe and I also love Ellis. But for me I say if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Ellis is the starter and he has spent years working on it and earning it. Now he can go lose it but I don't think we are there yet. Blair has his own holes in his game to consider as well.

It is a beautiful 1-2 punch. when a team feels good because ellis is going to take a blow, they then get blair. I love that.

[im4wsu]

We've been in a "if it's not broke don't fix it," situation. Blair has been an outstanding 6th man.

The audio to Shockervision last night was the Bear's radio announcers. For some reason I had to listen to them a couple of years ago when the Bears beat the Shockers. I like them better last night. The play by play guy had an interesting comment when the Shocker's were situational subbing Blair and Ellis at the end of the game. He said although Ellis starts, Blair is the better player. I'm not going to argue with him.

"better". Both do lots and lots of things to make the team effective. Ellis screening, rebounding, shot blocking, deflections, steals, defense. Likewise, Blair does tons, too, rebounding, steals, shot blocking, scoring. How to choose?

For last night's game and the season:
.........................Ellis.........Blair
Game Prouty.... -- .049 ..... .359
Season Prouty...-- .318 ..... .395
Game +/- ..........-- 9.8 ..... -1.7
Season +/-.......-- 15.8 ...... 8.0

[SFL]

Another Ellis thread??? Drop it already!

I agree... trust Marshall! :good: :good:

[rjl]

Another Ellis thread??? Drop it already!...if you have something to say, use the exsisting thread.

Not only is there another Ellis thread, but people are posting the same thing in each.

Just ignore multiple threads, people!!

[HockeyShock]

Something that I almost put in the LAST Ellis thread: Yes, he should have hit the free throws at the end last night, but notice who disrupted the inbounds pass and dove on the ball to ice the game.

Aaron Ellis is such a scary defender, that even with his relatively weak offensive game he is a net benefit on the floor. This is especially true at the start of a game or a half, if only for the purpose of disrupting the other team from getting into the flow of their offense. We have enough scorers on this team that any one of them could get double digits on any given night, but do we have a defender as intimidating as AE? Would YOU want to see those 12-ft limbs flailing at you?

Personally, I think there's a Kevin Garnett-type player in there just waiting to get out, and we very brief glimpses of it, like that alley-oop jam during the Bradley game. I think he's just a mental switch away from really tapping into it. Maybe we'll never see it, but even now his role as a starter is well-founded.

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