Big Game Gregg

[WuDrWu]

If there is any doubt what his goal is......who would use the name MTXE and NOT be a hugely supportive poster?

A: Troll


Speaking of reunions, I have heard that the greatest quarterback in the history of WSU football will be in attendance this evening.

If you see him, shake his hand and tell him thanks for all the thrills he gave those of us that supported football back in the day.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[ShockCity]

Since MTXE isn't getting much support this here, I suggest that he goes to the MTXE reunion and bring this up to X, the Big Dog, and Good News and come back under his new handle, "I'm a Moron" and tell us how that went.

If he did that, my guess is his new handle would be "Mr. flatenned face".

[forevershockerfan]

Doc--are you referring to 'The Prince M?' If he was not the greatest, he was still my favorite Football player at WSU. During his tenure, if I did not attend, I listened to the Shocks on the radio.

[WuDrWu]

Indeed I am FSF.

[proshox]

BARE CUPBOARD and Year 1

The bare cupboard theory was public in year one. So much so that MT publicly denied the facts in a Wichita Eagle article.

It was also talked about privately before Turgeon left. MT had pretty much run off a large percentage of his previous classes.

As soon as he announced he was going to A&M my friends and I were talking about how many missing pieces there were. In fact, I had hoped MT would take the OSU job so we could bring in a new coach with good returning players across the board. This would have allowed Marshall (or another coach) an opportunity to put together a new class and thus it would have been a Reload vs. Rebuild situation.

Year one for GM was irrelevant and provides absolutely no insight into future success.

[rjl]

Re: MTXE

It's a consensus Matt, err MTXE is a troll.

But remember rjl thinks he's the most interesting poster to show up on SN in a long time.

I can see the two of them working together handing out corsages at a "We love Nancy" love fest. 8)

Is he not interesting? How many posts in this thread--a thread started about Greg's record in big games--are now solely concerning MTXE. In fact, your ONE post in this thread is about MTXE. You seem pretty interested.

Of course, you're far too dense to realize that, and to realize that interesting does not necessarily = good.

[MTXE]

Other posters have appropriately taken MTXE to the woodshed so I don’t feel the need to reiterate their rebuttals

I guess if being taken to the woodshed equates to a bevy of personal attacks I would agree with you. If you are trying to infer that my comments were somehow revealed to be inaccurate, then my friend, you need to freshen up on your own Shocker history. I will agree that my tone could have been interpreted as unnecessarily negative.

MTXE seems to deplore fans that tend to get carried away and overextend their arguments with regard to the team when they are doing well. But he/she is doing the same thing from the opposite end of the spectrum in this thread.

I don't "deplore" fans that get carried away. I get carried away myself at times when a favorite player has a great game. Any temperament in my tone in the face of apparent achievement comes through experience with the Shocker program. I am hopeful yet cautious.

Having taken the screen name “MTXE” I would think this poster would be pleased with the progress, across the board, CGM has made during his time at WSU.

I am pleased with the progress I have seen since the MSU game of last year. Of course there were still signs of the players not being mentally prepared for games (e.g. Evansville, Bradley), but by and large it appeared as if we had turned the page. At least we beat Drake. The sum of MTXE means more to me than merely its acronymical parts. MTXE reminds me of an era of superior talent and superior results. I don't need to delve into the minutia of why, it simply was.

The style of play CGM intends this team to play is far closer to the “MTXE days” than any system used at WSU in over 20 years.

This comment is really difficult to address because I must first agree that you know HCGM's intentions. I think you don't. HCGM wants to win and hates giving up baskets. He recently said he would rather lose 48-52 than 80-100. This sounds more like SIU than MTXE to me but I digress.

Randy Smithson tried to bring a version of mental-toughness-extra-effort to WSU and failed. Obviously he was missing a few intangibles that his father was able to grasp.

Gregg builds a team around certain physical characteristics and exploits those advantages. He uses speed, length of arms, and jumping ability. All traits collectively endemic to a particular race. Mark Turgeon recruited basketball skills first, physical advantages second. Over the next couple of years we will get to see whose philosophy works best at WSU in the "modern" era.

Mark Turgeon took over a program that looked nothing like it did when he left. He had no newly renovated arena, no fancy locker-rooms, no top-flight training facilities and practice floors, no chartered flights or private jets. He didn't have a million dollar salary budget by which he could pay himself as well as several quality assitants. He inherited nothing but tradition and won 13 MVC games by his second year. In his third year he went 12-6 in the Valley earning a third place finish.

So far HCGM has won 12 MVC games in two years with vastly more resources. As one writer stated earlier, this year is kind of a "hot seat" year for Marshall. While his job is certainly not in jeopardy, he definitely needs to produce. I'm thinking 12-6 in the Valley his third year is not too much to expect considering his predecessor did it with far less.

We are 8-1 with a SOS of 332 (I wonder if MT ever had a non-conference schedule this weak?). This doesn't say much at all. Tonight we should get a glimpse of what our team is made of. I am hoping for the best! I always expect the best.

[ShockCity]

So far HCGM has won 12 MVC games in two years with vastly more resources.

If you believe this...then you are smoking crack.

[rjl]

MTXE, your points have met a point for point rebuttal, and have been taken apart as such.

Yes, there are some personal attacks, but welcome to the internet. For someone who enjoys bucking the norm on an internet fan message board, you should know what the pariah game entails.

[Zardoz]

MTXE

I can't help myself. I want to reply to the first part of MTXE's post about Marshall's first year. It's my birthday so give me a break this once.

I had many thing listed that contributed to our less than stellar showing in Marshall's first year. So on second thought just go ask X.

[ShockerFever]

I have come to realize now that MTXE is a sentimental Ann Turgeon. Welcome back Ann!

Either that or thenightwatchman, who coincidentally has dropped off the face of the earth since this **** arrived.

[OTR Shockfan]

Please don't use the name MTXE. You are way too much of a moron to use that name.

Agree !! more like M&M Mental Midget

[Maggie]

Other posters have appropriately taken MTXE to the woodshed so I don’t feel the need to reiterate their rebuttals

I guess if being taken to the woodshed equates to a bevy of personal attacks I would agree with you. If you are trying to infer that my comments were somehow revealed to be inaccurate, then my friend, you need to freshen up on your own Shocker history. I will agree that my tone could have been interpreted as unnecessarily negative.

MTXE seems to deplore fans that tend to get carried away and overextend their arguments with regard to the team when they are doing well. But he/she is doing the same thing from the opposite end of the spectrum in this thread.

I don't "deplore" fans that get carried away. I get carried away myself at times when a favorite player has a great game. Any temperament in my tone in the face of apparent achievement comes through experience with the Shocker program. I am hopeful yet cautious.

Having taken the screen name “MTXE” I would think this poster would be pleased with the progress, across the board, CGM has made during his time at WSU.

I am pleased with the progress I have seen since the MSU game of last year. Of course there were still signs of the players not being mentally prepared for games (e.g. Evansville, Bradley), but by and large it appeared as if we had turned the page. At least we beat Drake. The sum of MTXE means more to me than merely its acronymical parts. MTXE reminds me of an era of superior talent and superior results. I don't need to delve into the minutia of why, it simply was.

The style of play CGM intends this team to play is far closer to the “MTXE days” than any system used at WSU in over 20 years.

This comment is really difficult to address because I must first agree that you know HCGM's intentions. I think you don't. HCGM wants to win and hates giving up baskets. He recently said he would rather lose 48-52 than 80-100. This sounds more like SIU than MTXE to me but I digress.

Randy Smithson tried to bring a version of mental-toughness-extra-effort to WSU and failed. Obviously he was missing a few intangibles that his father was able to grasp.

Gregg builds a team around certain physical characteristics and exploits those advantages. He uses speed, length of arms, and jumping ability. All traits collectively endemic to a particular race. Mark Turgeon recruited basketball skills first, physical advantages second. Over the next couple of years we will get to see whose philosophy works best at WSU in the "modern" era.

Mark Turgeon took over a program that looked nothing like it did when he left. He had no newly renovated arena, no fancy locker-rooms, no top-flight training facilities and practice floors, no chartered flights or private jets. He didn't have a million dollar salary budget by which he could pay himself as well as several quality assitants. He inherited nothing but tradition and won 13 MVC games by his second year. In his third year he went 12-6 in the Valley earning a third place finish.

So far HCGM has won 12 MVC games in two years with vastly more resources. As one writer stated earlier, this year is kind of a "hot seat" year for Marshall. While his job is certainly not in jeopardy, he definitely needs to produce. I'm thinking 12-6 in the Valley his third year is not too much to expect considering his predecessor did it with far less.

We are 8-1 with a SOS of 332 (I wonder if MT ever had a non-conference schedule this weak?). This doesn't say much at all. Tonight we should get a glimpse of what our team is made of. I am hoping for the best! I always expect the best.

Look – I don’t have time to address every issue (relevant, sophomoric, specious or otherwise) you addressed. You are starting to aggravate me despite the fact I don’t (for now) have an issue with you.

For starters, not every comment adverse to your position was ad hominem. Do you want me to continue?

[MTXE]

Look – I don’t have time to address every issue (relevant, sophomoric, specious or otherwise) you addressed. You are starting to aggravate me despite the fact I don’t (for now) have an issue with you.

For starters, not every comment adverse to your position was ad hominem. Do you want me to continue?

My choice in responding to your post was not intended to create in you an obligation to respond. In fact I would prefer no response at all as the points I made require no response. I merely replied to your comment because it adequately provided a spring board for me to reply to everyone else.

[60Shock]

And so what's wrong with playing one or two games against the elite BB schools on their home court every year? For one thing our program can definitely stand the recognition and added benefits for recruiting by playing the best teams in the nation.

Initially, I wouldn't give a hoot for our chances of winning. But, the truth is we don't need to win. All we need over the next 2-3 years is to keep it respectable and we drastically improve our RPI. It is very rarely harmful to loose to a team in the top 15 (except perhaps if you are ranked ahead of or closely behind them). Nothing wrong with a quality loss against a team who no one believes you have a chance of winning. And who knows what will happen, for we have, on occasion, risen up and slain a few goliaths in the past and there is no reason to expect we will not do so again in the very near future.

Numerous coaches over the ages have proclaimed that they want to play tough teams early in the year because it provides their players the experience and toughness they will need when their conference time comes around.