Big Game Gregg

[MTXE]

Per usual, you missed my points, but since you seem hell bent on tearing down far more often than not, allow me to clarify and or refute your "facts".

Year one is not on Gregg, it's on Mark. End of discussion. His pace mirrors Mark's pace of .500 in year 2 and above .500 in year 3. It is only "troubling" to you and perhaps a few other wards of the state. Mark was 4 games under .500 after season 3. Let's see if Gregg can best that (wanna wager?).

"Everybody is penciling in"????? Laughable. I'd say less than 5% DIEHARD fans are thinking NCAA....real fans are excited about a CHANCE to compete in St. Louis.

We'll be as prepared as any team in the Valley, and I think Gregg has shown this quality already (and I believe I know a little something about preparation). I am not sure what Gregg HAS to prove to you, but I guess you need to define what win BIG is in the MVC.

No argument about St Louis or how many games we have to win. I'd guess somewhere around 27 (at least) for us to get an at large.....has ANYONE said anything to the contrary?

Why do we have to see how we do on the road in the MVC before we schedule up? And who said we were going to win at Chapel Hill? I didn't......did anyone else? I said we need to PLAY these type of games. I opened for discussion that Gregg can be strong in these type of games and that these games help overall development. I have yet to see Gregg's teams not play smart for any length of time....I have seen them lacking talent. I do not see that so much today. Facts.

Meh. Sorry Mrs. Marshall for upsetting your apple cart.

[newshock1234]

Matt stay off our board

[WuDrWu]

Meh. Sorry Mrs. Marshall for upsetting your apple cart.

Apple cart is just fine thank you, but I'll let Lynn know you care. :)

[MTXE]

Gregg is in his 3rd year and his overall record is under .500 even having just devoured the Sara Lee Invitational. The last two years have been troubling considering Gregg's "superstar" status coming in.

This is just a ridiculous statement.

Marshall's first season followed a pretty late hire after the coaching dominoes took Turgeon to aTm after Gillespie had left. Turgeon's last 2 or 3 recruiding classes were poor and the cupboard was pretty bare, save Cooz and Braeuer and the addition of Clemente to try to hold a team of marginal D1 returnees together. Record 11-20.

Last season's team added Frosh Murry, Stutz, Kyles, Chamberlain and JuCo Hannah to sophomores Hatch, Ellis, and Durley. That's a lot of underclassmen. Record 17-17.

So far, Marshall has started very similarly to Turgeon's tenure (9-19 and 15-15 his first two seasons). In no way was I troubled going to the NIT in Turgeon's 3rd and 4th season and the NCAA in his 5th. I take exception to using "troubling" to characterize Marshall's first two seasons. Nothing about Marshall has been troubling to me. Nor will I be "troubled" when he takes to the tournament in style, as Turgeon did.

Go be troubled somewhere else.

--'85.

Oh his first two seasons were VERY troubling. Sure he was left with challenges but he did not overcome. My personal opinion is that he underperformed relative to the expectations that floated around surrounding his hire. ONLY, after a miserable first season did the bare cupboard theories start to surface.

I agree the roster was lean, but nobody expected the kind of season we endured (even with the injury) until once it started happening. Then EVERYBODY knew all along we were going to only win four MVC games. The second season was a near disaster and people were questioning HCGM's mettle at this level (Remember immediately after the MSU game?). Then what seemed like for no reason at all, the team turned things around and started winning.

I'm very happy being 8-1 but I'm not blind and I don't have a short memory. I remember the time when we jacked up 3-balls all game long, playing an offensive system reminiscent of a YMCA league. When a team is exposed mentally or strategically, bad things happen. I am hoping we have turned the page on those days.

Athleticism is great, but without intellect or very deft compensatory coaching, you are just another Providence. My eyes are open wide and I am eternally hopeful!

[Ashockalypse]

Please don't use the name MTXE. You are way too much of a moron to use that name.

[SB Shock]

Oh his first two seasons were VERY troubling. Sure he was left with challenges but he did not overcome.

You are a buffoon - what was he suppose to do sign some FA's?

I remember the time when we jacked up 3-balls all game long,

We? Did you play for WSU?

[capnkirk]

Gregg is in his 3rd year and his overall record is under .500 even having just devoured the Sara Lee Invitational. The last two years have been troubling considering Gregg's "superstar" status coming in.

This is just a ridiculous statement.

Marshall's first season followed a pretty late hire after the coaching dominoes took Turgeon to aTm after Gillespie had left. Turgeon's last 2 or 3 recruiding classes were poor and the cupboard was pretty bare, save Cooz and Braeuer and the addition of Clemente to try to hold a team of marginal D1 returnees together. Record 11-20.

Last season's team added Frosh Murry, Stutz, Kyles, Chamberlain and JuCo Hannah to sophomores Hatch, Ellis, and Durley. That's a lot of underclassmen. Record 17-17.

So far, Marshall has started very similarly to Turgeon's tenure (9-19 and 15-15 his first two seasons). In no way was I troubled going to the NIT in Turgeon's 3rd and 4th season and the NCAA in his 5th. I take exception to using "troubling" to characterize Marshall's first two seasons. Nothing about Marshall has been troubling to me. Nor will I be "troubled" when he takes to the tournament in style, as Turgeon did.

Go be troubled somewhere else.

--'85.

Oh his first two seasons were VERY troubling. Sure he was left with challenges but he did not overcome. My personal opinion is that he underperformed relative to the expectations that floated around surrounding his hire. ONLY, after a miserable first season did the bare cupboard theories start to surface.

I agree the roster was lean, but nobody expected the kind of season we endured (even with the injury) until once it started happening. Then EVERYBODY knew all along we were going to only win four MVC games. The second season was a near disaster and people were questioning HCGM's mettle at this level (Remember immediately after the MSU game?). Then what seemed like for no reason at all, the team turned things around and started winning.

I'm very happy being 8-1 but I'm not blind and I don't have a short memory. I remember the time when we jacked up 3-balls all game long, playing an offensive system reminiscent of a YMCA league. When a team is exposed mentally or strategically, bad things happen. I am hoping we have turned the page on those days.

Athleticism is great, but without intellect or very deft compensatory coaching, you are just another Providence. My eyes are open wide and I am eternally hopeful!

Um, yeah. Turgeons last year here WSU went 17-14. WSU lost Ogirri, Ryan Martin, Kyle Wilson(and I know i'm missing some more). HCGM was hired at the end of the recruiting period. 3-4 recruits bailed on us. He had to take the best recruits he could find on short notice to make up the roster.

Why would anyone expect that HCGM first year would yield an improvement from 17-14(or even come close to the same record)? Especially after losing MB for most of the season due to a concussion.

i consider last years recruits as HCGM first official recruiting class.

[MTXE]

IMO we underperformed relative to our circumstances. Many distinct memories make up the foundation of my feelings on that issue. Regardless, "we" are getting better from top to bottom. How much better will be clearly evident toward the end of our regular season.

[newshock1234]

IMO we underperformed relative to our circumstances. Many distinct memories make up the foundation of my feelings on that issue. Regardless, "we" are getting better from top to bottom. How much better will be clearly evident toward the end of our regular season.

how the hell did we under perform, we had 7 scholarship players pretty much the whole year, any team that does that will be pretty much lucky to get 10 wins.

[Capitol Shock]

I wish somebody would spray this bag worm.

[Kung Wu]

If I were ADES I would hire MTXE as a consultant to sit on a committee of one responsible for finding a better, more qualified head coach to take over the program. The new coach must get the same pay, with at least the same ratio of NCAA appearances per years coaching, etc.

Please don't come back until you find one. And if you don't, feel free to never come back.

Seriously if you have some leads we'd love to hear them.

We have most likely the best coach we have ever had (time will tell) and some goofball is nay-saying after he has already turned the program around after only one season of playing his own underclassmen recruits.

Go kick your dog some more for NOT pissing on the carpet, MTXE.

[ShockTalk]

1) The Valley needs to get out of the Bracket Busters. It is just that... a bust. The chances of getting a game that will help you into the dance is remote. On the other hand, the chances of playing a team on the road and losing, and seeing your chances of an at-large berth go poof, is much higher. Even if you win, it won't help.

2) The MWC/MVC match up is great. If were in the top three of the Valley, our chances of playing UNLV, Utah, or BYU is excellent. These games will help your cause, plus maybe knock out a rival for an at-large spot as well. You also get a home game every other year.

3) You don't need to necessarily schedule the top BCS teams. Go for the middle of the pack. They will help your RPI, and again, if you win some of those, you may be knocking out your competition for at-large spots. These teams are much more likely to schedule 1 and 1s.

4) Schedule more solid mid major teams. Again for all the reasons above.

5) Keep your cupcakes below 250 RPI to two and schedule 2 more that you believe will be 130-175 RPI.

6) Continue to get into early season tournaments. They will give you a crack at some very good teams on a neutral court.

[ShoxFan45]

Not to nit pick....Butttttt, maybe the Creighton St. Louis game belongs on that list?

Great job none the less Doc.

And MTXE....I don't have the energy...but give us all a break.

[ShockerFever]

I just read through the first two MTXE posts.

Is this guy a complete moron?


I don't have time to break down this clown right now. I'll be back later to finish the tool off though.

[AndShock]

Not to nit pick....Butttttt, maybe the Creighton St. Louis game belongs on that list?

It's on there.