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  • #31
    I expect two teams to get invites. Three if there is a surprise winner in the conference tournament.

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    • #32
      I think UNI is on the bubble, at best. The DePaul loss is starting to look bad. They lost to Mississippi State (who has lost to Rider and Richmond) by 31 last night.

      The BC win isn't looking very good as they lost to Harvard and a mediocre St. Joseph's.

      It's too early to tell if the Iowa St. win will be good or not.

      UNI needs to beat Siena tomorrow night in the worst way.

      Honestly, I think WSU (assuming we win out in the OOC) and MSU have the best chance at an at-large resume right now.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by tropicalshox
        Yes I really think so. And yes, they can't afford a lot of upsets in conference play.
        Lot of risk with that position. RPI forcecast has the MVC breaking down by final RPI:

        50 MSU
        62 UNI
        71 WSU
        85 SIU

        With WSU winning the MVC regular season at 12-6. Those RPI's are hardly at-large type RPI. Of course if a team(s) can do a little better than predicted then that changes.

        MSU needs to be 22-7 to have a top 40 rpi
        UNI needs to have a 22-6 to have a top 40 rpi
        WSU needs to have 24-5 record to have a top 40 rpi
        SIU needs to have 24-5 record to have a top 40 rpi
        CU needs a 21-8 record for top 40 rpi

        Margin of error is slim (cu has no margin of error) for all the teams.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by SB Shock
          Originally posted by tropicalshox
          Yes I really think so. And yes, they can't afford a lot of upsets in conference play.
          Lot of risk with that position. RPI forcecast has the MVC breaking down by final RPI:

          50 MSU
          62 UNI
          71 WSU
          85 SIU

          With WSU winning the MVC regular season at 12-6. Those RPI's are hardly at-large type RPI. Of course if a team(s) can do a little better than predicted then that changes.

          MSU needs to be 22-7 to have a top 40 rpi
          UNI needs to have a 22-6 to have a top 40 rpi
          WSU needs to have 24-5 record to have a top 40 rpi
          SIU needs to have 24-5 record to have a top 40 rpi
          CU needs a 21-8 record for top 40 rpi

          Margin of error is slim (cu has no margin of error) for all the teams.
          Am I correct in thinking that this doesn't take into account Bracket Busters? There is a chance that the top couple of teams in the Valley could be matched up with opponents that would be decent RPI boosts if they can win (particularly those who are on the road).
          "Cotton scared me - I left him alone." - B4MSU (Bear Nation poster) in reference to heckling players

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          • #35
            Originally posted by SB Shock
            Originally posted by tropicalshox
            Yes I really think so. And yes, they can't afford a lot of upsets in conference play.
            Lot of risk with that position. RPI forcecast has the MVC breaking down by final RPI:

            50 MSU
            62 UNI
            71 WSU
            85 SIU

            With WSU winning the MVC regular season at 12-6. Those RPI's are hardly at-large type RPI. Of course if a team(s) can do a little better than predicted then that changes.

            MSU needs to be 22-7 to have a top 40 rpi
            UNI needs to have a 22-6 to have a top 40 rpi
            WSU needs to have 24-5 record to have a top 40 rpi
            SIU needs to have 24-5 record to have a top 40 rpi
            CU needs a 21-8 record for top 40 rpi

            Margin of error is slim (cu has no margin of error) for all the teams.
            How accurate is all of this, especially at this point in time?
            Deuces Valley.
            ... No really, deuces.
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            - a smart man

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            • #36
              Originally posted by DoubleJayAlum
              That wasn't my intent.

              I was just attempting to show why the Valley isn't getting more love nationally, which is the question that the OP posed. Instead of just making a comment, I thought I'd back it with facts.
              IMO, the reason the Valley isn't getting more love nationally is due to choke jobs by teams in preseason tournaments.

              Take a look at this:

              CU 0-3 in the Old Spice Classic


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              • #37
                Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
                Originally posted by SB Shock
                Originally posted by tropicalshox
                Yes I really think so. And yes, they can't afford a lot of upsets in conference play.
                Lot of risk with that position. RPI forcecast has the MVC breaking down by final RPI:

                50 MSU
                62 UNI
                71 WSU
                85 SIU

                With WSU winning the MVC regular season at 12-6. Those RPI's are hardly at-large type RPI. Of course if a team(s) can do a little better than predicted then that changes.

                MSU needs to be 22-7 to have a top 40 rpi
                UNI needs to have a 22-6 to have a top 40 rpi
                WSU needs to have 24-5 record to have a top 40 rpi
                SIU needs to have 24-5 record to have a top 40 rpi
                CU needs a 21-8 record for top 40 rpi

                Margin of error is slim (cu has no margin of error) for all the teams.
                Am I correct in thinking that this doesn't take into account Bracket Busters? There is a chance that the top couple of teams in the Valley could be matched up with opponents that would be decent RPI boosts if they can win (particularly those who are on the road).
                yes, it does not account for bracket buster (since nobody knows what bracket buster look like right now). It does not look like there are that many potential quality matchups for the MVC with the way the split of home and away has occurred. WSU looks like it is in a better position to get a quality matchup then most MVC teams.

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                Away:
                Boston University
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ShockerFever
                  Originally posted by SB Shock
                  Originally posted by tropicalshox
                  Yes I really think so. And yes, they can't afford a lot of upsets in conference play.
                  Lot of risk with that position. RPI forcecast has the MVC breaking down by final RPI:

                  50 MSU
                  62 UNI
                  71 WSU
                  85 SIU

                  With WSU winning the MVC regular season at 12-6. Those RPI's are hardly at-large type RPI. Of course if a team(s) can do a little better than predicted then that changes.

                  MSU needs to be 22-7 to have a top 40 rpi
                  UNI needs to have a 22-6 to have a top 40 rpi
                  WSU needs to have 24-5 record to have a top 40 rpi
                  SIU needs to have 24-5 record to have a top 40 rpi
                  CU needs a 21-8 record for top 40 rpi

                  Margin of error is slim (cu has no margin of error) for all the teams.
                  How accurate is all of this, especially at this point in time?
                  It probably more accurate than most opinions on here :D

                  but of course it is just a prediction (and simulation) and the error is going to be less in February than in mid-december. Who really think MSU is going to finish 2nd in the MVC?

                  But it is probably more accurate than the tradition daily RPI because it does look to the future. But at the same time it is based on statistics so it is able to show you it's error bound so you can judge what it's predicted accuracy is.

                  Here is figure showing how RPI forecast error was versus normal day-to-day RPI. MAD is Mean Absolute Deviation. As you can see it has a lower error and the two converge as the season winds down.



                  I think the brilliance of RPIforcecast is it shows you what your team (likely) has to do if you want to achieve a specific RPI.

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                  • #39
                    Give us Butler...or Ohio (ADES vs ADJS)

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                    • #40
                      My choices (at this time):

                      VCU
                      Utah St
                      Murray St
                      Pacific
                      Butler

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by SB Shock
                        Originally posted by tropicalshox
                        Yes I really think so. And yes, they can't afford a lot of upsets in conference play.
                        Lot of risk with that position. RPI forecast has the MVC breaking down by final RPI:

                        50 MSU
                        62 UNI
                        71 WSU
                        85 SIU

                        With WSU winning the MVC regular season at 12-6. Those RPI's are hardly at-large type RPI. Of course if a team(s) can do a little better than predicted then that changes.

                        MSU needs to be 22-7 to have a top 40 rpi
                        UNI needs to have a 22-6 to have a top 40 rpi
                        WSU needs to have 24-5 record to have a top 40 rpi
                        SIU needs to have 24-5 record to have a top 40 rpi
                        CU needs a 21-8 record for top 40 rpi

                        Margin of error is slim (cu has no margin of error) for all the teams.
                        If WSU wins the Valley with only a 12-6 record and even if they win out the rest of the non-conference games I would not expect an at-large bid. It would take more domination of the Valley than that. More a long the lines of that 24-5 record or better. The same goes for MSU, UNI and CU. They would need to do very well in Valley play. Is it going to happen for any of them? Probably not but we will see. IMO SIU isn't good enough to even think about them.
                        In the fast lane

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                        • #42
                          We could finish the season 23-7 and win two in the Tourney...25-8, that is a bubble team or better. 25 wins in the MVC will be tough, but certainly not impossible to ignore. Bottom line is that we need to win our next two games. Lose the next two and then the dance goes through St. Louis.

                          I like this team, but it is too early to tell what we've really got here.
                          Livin the dream

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