The Clevin Hannah debacle

[tropicalshox]

E.O. in for the first time. Henry got some easy baskets against shorter opposition.

[proshox]

This has to be extremely disappointing for CH, but I think you guys are going a little over board with this.

Mistakes happen at some level in every institution or business - to expect the AD to have magical powers that would prevent the possibility of a mistake is a little insane.

I am also pretty sure nothing positive would result from a public feud with the NCAA over this issue. I think the punishment, based on the few facts we know about, is ridiculous. Making a big deal out of it has absolutely no upside. If someone can find one example where a school went head to head in a two week period and won against the NCAA and I will take back the prior statement.

[Ashockalypse]

I agree with proshox. We have got a season to start tomorrow and we need to shed this and get positive because nothing is going to change the ruling and we need to come together. We have a good team.

[60Shock]

The ruling sucks, the NCAA sucks, and our AD is a sucker-upper.

[tw805]

If this was Duke, they'd just get a one game suspension which could apply to an exhibition game. In football, a guy can gouge a guy's eyes out and get one game. But little ol' Wichita State messes up some paperwork and we get hammered. Freakin bastards.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. If it's a guy gouging a guy's eyes out and he plays on the No. 1 team in the polls, he gets a half-game suspension and it doesn't even come from the NCAA!

The NCAA is nothing more than a mafia-style organization. Not even starting with the BCS nonsense, if you are a "major conference,' you can without penalty:

1. Have several of your Oklahoma football players given nearly full-time salaries by a booster to do no work;

2. Hire more than recruit's father to be an "assistant coach" at Kansas;

3. Completely astro-glide the Memphis program without the common courtesy of a reach around, and continue to coach at Kentucky without further action.

However, you cannot:

1. Be a supposed "mid-major" program and forget to cross a single "T" on some meaningless d-bag paperwork.

This "we're a voluntary organization and can act like a racketeering gang despite the utter dearth of alternative organizations" act the NCAA does is getting really, really old.

[1972Shocker]

But I guess we knew we were in trouble when this did not get resolved by Friday afternoon.

[shock10]

The ruling by the BCS is about what I thought it would be. A chance to beat a BCS team that might be down taken away by a BCS ruling. If we could knock off Pitt stain without our point guard we still would get NO credit from the BCS selection committee.

[shocklight]

I think we got what we deserved by hiring an AD that had no AD experience. I didn't like the hire to begin with. We should have hired an AD with D1 experience, but we didn't.

Since the wisdom was to go with a fund raiser, we should have hired an AD type that is great at all the AD stuff, but no one wants him/her because they can't raise money, as our assistant AD.

Obviously we did not.

I worry that more of this kind of thing may well pop up. Not to mention EO being a juco transfer. Hopefully these problems are being corrected. However, putting blame on the ncaa is misplaced blame. The rules are the rules, and if 99% of the members can follow them, we should be able to do the same.

The arguement that the ncaa screws non-bcs schools has been the same for years, and nothing will change. The true answer is, to never put yourself in situations that allows for such rulings.

We are better than this, we just need to start acting like it.

[Dan]

It's over let's move on. We have a big game today.

[Ricardo del Rio]

I've said it before and will say it again and again, the NCAA is a fascist organization that is more akin to organized crime and human exploitation than scholar-athlete advocates.

Great minds run in deep waters. My exact thoughts.

While I am a staunch believer in limited government, I hope the federal government reins in the unbridled power of the NCAA. The NCAA is disgusting and despicable.

[Ashockalypse]

What Ricky said.

[Ricardo del Rio]

"I would not pin it on any one person," he said. "It was the process."
ADSE

I wonder where the buck stops or does it? Just wondering.

[ShockRef]

This has to be extremely disappointing for CH, but I think you guys are going a little over board with this.

Mistakes happen at some level in every institution or business - to expect the AD to have magical powers that would prevent the possibility of a mistake is a little insane.

I am also pretty sure nothing positive would result from a public feud with the NCAA over this issue. I think the punishment, based on the few facts we know about, is ridiculous. Making a big deal out of it has absolutely no upside. If someone can find one example where a school went head to head in a two week period and won against the NCAA and I will take back the prior statement.

"Making a big deal out of it has absolutely no upside."

Yea, I guess we should just ignore it and move on.

Sorry, but try telling that to CH today when he has to sit on the bench in street clothes and watch his team play their opener.

I can hear the liberal slant now "It's ok Clevin, you'll have the best seat in the house so just enjoy the game and think about moving forward."

Give me a break.

This whole deal screams incompetence at the highest level.
If WSU wants to portray it's athletic program as BCS grade, actions speak louder than a well scripted response to a player suspension.

Geez. 8)

[ShockTalk]

If you want me to believe the NCAA gave Hannah a punishment similar to other like infractions (plural), tell what they are. Don't give me just non-BCS examples either. If there are other like situations and the player was the one penalized in the same fashion, then so be it.

I don't buy ADES lip service any longer. You want me to believe you, prove your positions.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

"I would not pin it on any one person," he said. "It was the process."
ADSE

I wonder where the buck stops or does it? Just wondering.

I could have respect for an Athletic Director that stood up and said "It's my fault. Ulitmately I'm responsible for making sure all things related to the Athletic Department are handled correctly."

But instead you again get a man that takes no responsibility, nor is there any reprecussions from the act. An act of omission is the first step to the "LOIC" label from the NCAA. Not knowing the rules, the processes, or what is required from the Athletic Department are examples of this.

If I were an attorney, and forgot to file an important document with the court, would I still have a job when the case was dismissed? No. And neither should the person(s) responsible for this.

We cannot go down the road of indifference to MISTAKES being made by this Department. We should be looking at what is best for the University and the student athletes that select Wichita State. Instead, many feel there are no consequences for ineptitude.