Coy drops Basketball for Baseball

[Dan]

It sounds like basbeall may have been Coy's first priority from the get go and he was using a basketball scholarship to get a free ride. I agree with what someone said earlier - basketball comes first if it's paying his way. He should only be allowed to play baseball after basketball season is over.
Gene came out on top because he gets a pro prospect baseball player as a walk-on. Lesson learned from all sides on this one.

[shock10]

I am sour on HCGM.

[tropicalshox]

Dan probably hit it on the nose. A reason given at ASU for his redshirt was because he didn't come to school in basketball shape due to playing baseball. That was probably the case again this year.

The baseball practices are voluntary. I believe that is a MUST be voluntary or it is a NCAA violation. It's basketball season prep time. He belonged on the floor for individual sessions with everyone else at the designated time. And to keep up with his teammates, in the weight room. Stop blaming the coaches and the AD. It sure looks like Johnny didn't want to devote his efforts to basketball when it was due, or perhaps past due.

Not being on the team, he doesn't deserve a full ride basketball scholarship. On the book issue, we darn well have to make sure there is no possibility of a violation. It's too bad he didn't foresee his devotion to baseball so he could of received a partial scholarship like the rest of the baseball players.

[SB Shock]

I am sour on HCGM.

Your sour grapes is mis-placed. Mr. Coy made his decision, now he has to live with the consequences of his decision.

[Shox21]

It sounds like basbeall may have been Coy's first priority from the get go and he was using a basketball scholarship to get a free ride. I agree with what someone said earlier - basketball comes first if it's paying his way. He should only be allowed to play baseball after basketball season is over.
Gene came out on top because he gets a pro prospect baseball player as a walk-on. Lesson learned from all sides on this one.

Yes, but look who seems to be getting the blackest eye here. We hear from brother rc about all the "things" Marshall has supposedly done but not much about what Gene did or did not do. I am not surprised we haven't had any reports from big brother about Gene because, after all, what could Gene have done -- except try to work out something with Marshall. The next season up is basketball -- not baseball. We did, unfortunately, hear from rc that Marshall pulled Coy's books. We don't know all the facts on this, but Marshall may not have had a choice. The scholarship belonged to the basketball program. If Coy quit the team, then the scholarship had to be pull -- along with everything that went with it. Could Marshall have allowed Coy to keep his books and not violate any NCAA rules. I don't know, but I don't think this board does either.

The baseballl program (and don't get me wrong here because I fully support the baseball program) was going to benefit by Coy coming to WSU on a basketball scholarship, so it is understandable why Gene is keeping quiet. We really haven't heard about anything Gene may have tried to do, so again, this board really doesn't know if he tried to do anything. But why would he try. After all, as you said, he gets a pro prospect for doing nothing.

As I said before only those intimately involved with this know exactly what happend (and rc is his brother and is the only one reporting anything). Brother rc reported that Marshall was not happy about Johnny playing summer baseball even though that was supposedly part of the "deal." Okay. Johnny got his summer baseball in -- now it was basketball's turn. Maybe Gene should have taken a back seat at this point since the baseball program was not the one paying the freight. Brother rc suggested it would have been easier to reschedule the basketball group workout (because it involved only three or four others) than it would have been to reschedule the entire baseball team workout. Again -- shouldn't it have been baskeball's turn at this point. If you were part of Johnny's basketball group, would you have liked a 6:00 a.m. or 10:00 p.m workout as proposed by big brother just because of one person's schedule.

Of course Marshall is upset about this. Given his competitive spirit, I'm not surprised. I'm not pointing fingers because I readily admit I don't have first-hand knowledge of what transpired. But, then again, this board really doesn't know either.

It's just unfortunate that the powers did not foresee that some problems could arise. I wish both programs the best and hope all of this goes away before baseball season starts again. I do wish Johnny Coy all the best in his endeavors. It would be great if both programs were to forgive what has happned but to NOT forget the leasons learned (but given the dynamic personalities of those involved I'm not sure this will or can happen). Things usually happen for a reason and maybe this will be best for all concerned in the long run.

Oh well, I'm more than ready for basketball to start and to put all this drama behind us. Sorry for being so long-winded. These things shouldn't happen over a holiday weekend -- much more time to post.

[pinstripers]

There will NEVER be another two-sport athlete at WSU. I think that is too bad.

[wu_shizzle]

I am sour on HCGM.

Have fun being sour while the rest of us enjoy the ride...

[Calshockfan]

If HCGM actions seemed harsh to Johnny Coy and his brother I can understand why. It seems as though baseball was monopolizing his time. If he was having difficulty "squeezing" in four half hour practice sessions per week then he should not have been given a basketball scholarship to begin with. Clearly, baseball was and is his priority. He made his choice.

I have no difficulty understanding why Gregg Marshal would be upset with the situation and may have had some harsh words with respect to the situation.

[Ta town]

If HCGM actions seemed harsh to Johnny Coy and his brother I can understand why. It seems as though baseball was monopolizing his time. If he was having difficulty "squeezing" in four half hour practice sessions per week then he should not have been given a basketball scholarship to begin with. Clearly, baseball was and is his priority. He made his choice.

I have no difficulty understanding why Gregg Marshal would be upset with the situation and may have had some harsh words with respect to the situation.

Holy crap people.............does WSU really have a shot at Coy if its basketball only? I doubt he chooses WSU. I recall talk from both coaches of working things out and sharing time. Things are said to get a kid, whether or not things are carried thru is another. I don't understand why everybody is upset. He wasn't going to play until end of first semester and he wasn't going to be able to focus on basketball 12 months out of the year like any normal D1 player. Everything is the way it should be, I imagine JC will get enough signing bonus one day to at least pay back all the student loans. Everyybody needs some perspective on this.

[shockfan89_]

If this would have occurred at a big time University the AD would have looked at what was best for the University and MADE SURE that is what happened. I think it would have been best for Coy to keep his scholarship this year and let him participate in basketball as time permits and make baseball his priority even if he is on a basketball scholarship. Remember people this is not about egos and basketball versus baseball. This is about what is best for WSU.

The AD should have gotten involved and helped HCGM understand he has not YET EARNED the deciding say in this. I fully believe his time will come but (if these reports are true) this sounds like HCGM not wanting to take a back seat to Gene. Fully understand this is a basketball scholarship but again, that is where the AD needed to help him understand WSU sports is bigger than just basketball and Coy was probably not going to be at WSU long enough to affect basketball one way or another.

Regardless, Coy is NOT to blame. Even if he decided he didn't want to work hard enough to be successful at both sports the coaches/AD could spin this to be a good thing rather than the pissing match it has turned into. Also there is NO REASON to ever take his books away if this really happened. Unless things have changed, he can write a check to the basketball program 4 months from now and pay for his books and it wouldn't be an NCAA violation.

[Overtime]

He redshirted as a Freshman, He is probably a better Baseball player than Basketball player, And Marshal now has a scholarship in addition to Orupke to use for next year. I'm thinking Coy would have been a minor letdown as a basketball player and this really does not hurt us that much....That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[shocktown]

If this would have occurred at a big time University the AD would have looked at what was best for the University and MADE SURE that is what happened. I think it would have been best for Coy to keep his scholarship this year and let him participate in basketball as time permits and make baseball his priority even if he is on a basketball scholarship. Remember people this is not about egos and basketball versus baseball. This is about what is best for WSU.

The AD should have gotten involved and helped HCGM understand he has not YET EARNED the deciding say in this. I fully believe his time will come but (if these reports are true) this sounds like HCGM not wanting to take a back seat to Gene. Fully understand this is a basketball scholarship but again, that is where the AD needed to help him understand WSU sports is bigger than just basketball and Coy was probably not going to be at WSU long enough to affect basketball one way or another.

Regardless, Coy is NOT to blame. Even if he decided he didn't want to work hard enough to be successful at both sports the coaches/AD could spin this to be a good thing rather than the pissing match it has turned into. Also there is NO REASON to ever take his books away if this really happened. Unless things have changed, he can write a check to the basketball program 4 months from now and pay for his books and it wouldn't be an NCAA violation.

What a bunch of total BS.

SO, HCGM hasn't earned the right to run and control his REVENUE PRODUCING program the way he sees fit. Get an f'n grip.

Why????? cause he doesn't have a 30-yr record of using people any way he sees fit?

Take your baseball first head out of HCGS backside and see reality!!

[Shox21]

The AD should have gotten involved and helped HCGM understand he has not YET EARNED the deciding say in this. I fully believe his time will come but (if these reports are true) this sounds like HCGM not wanting to take a back seat to Gene. Fully understand this is a basketball scholarship but again, that is where the AD needed to help him understand WSU sports is bigger than just basketball and Coy was probably not going to be at WSU long enough to affect basketball one way or another.

Regardless, Coy is NOT to blame.

Marshall isn't the one who decided Coy wasn't going to play basketball. Coy decided. And just why is it that it's Marshall not wanting to take a back seat to Gene -- why isn't it Gene not wanting to take a back seat to Marshall. No one had to take a back seat to anyone else. All they had to do was talk. Did Marshall refuse to try to work it out with Gene OR did Gene refuse to try to work it out with Marshall OR did Coy just decide it was too hard to even try to play both sports and just tell Marshall the practice schedule wasn't working out and oh by the way "I quit." I don't know and neither do you. But don't go telling me this is all Marshall's fault because he thinks he is big man on campus and that Coy did nothing to cause this. It just seems to me that this all happened way too fast for Coy not to have already made up his mind to quit basketball when he went to talk with Marshall.

However it came down, I honestly think it will turn out for the best. Marshall certainly doesn't want a kid on the team that is not going to give 100%, and now he has the scholarship to get one in.

I'm sorry for Coy that it has turned out this way, but it WAS his decision.

[shockfan89_]

The AD should have gotten involved and helped HCGM understand he has not YET EARNED the deciding say in this. I fully believe his time will come but (if these reports are true) this sounds like HCGM not wanting to take a back seat to Gene. Fully understand this is a basketball scholarship but again, that is where the AD needed to help him understand WSU sports is bigger than just basketball and Coy was probably not going to be at WSU long enough to affect basketball one way or another.

Regardless, Coy is NOT to blame.

Marshall isn't the one who decided Coy wasn't going to play basketball. Coy decided. And just why is it that it's Marshall not wanting to take a back seat to Gene -- why isn't it Gene not wanting to take a back seat to Marshall. No one had to take a back seat to anyone else. All they had to do was talk. Did Marshall refuse to try to work it out with Gene OR did Gene refuse to try to work it out with Marshall OR did Coy just decide it was too hard to even try to play both sports and just tell Marshall the practice schedule wasn't working out and oh by the way "I quit." I don't know and neither do you. But don't go telling me this is all Marshall's fault because he thinks he is big man on campus and that Coy did nothing to cause this. It just seems to me that this all happened way too fast for Coy not to have already made up his mind to quit basketball when he went to talk with Marshall.

However it came down, I honestly think it will turn out for the best. Marshall certainly doesn't want a kid on the team that is not going to give 100%, and now he has the scholarship to get one in.

I'm sorry for Coy that it has turned out this way, but it WAS his decision.

Shox21 - I don't know anymore than anyone else. I am just basing it off of the information provided. But, that is my entire point, the AD should have gotten involved and settled it for the betterment of WSU regardless of what the cause is. I didn't say it was all HCGM's fault and am pretty sure it is not. Taking away his scholarship only hurts Coy and does not help the basketball team unless someone else is going to use that scholarship THIS semester. It seems like HCGM is wanting to punish Coy otherwise why not let him keep the scholarship and play basketball but let baseball take priority?

[shockfan89_]

If this would have occurred at a big time University the AD would have looked at what was best for the University and MADE SURE that is what happened. I think it would have been best for Coy to keep his scholarship this year and let him participate in basketball as time permits and make baseball his priority even if he is on a basketball scholarship. Remember people this is not about egos and basketball versus baseball. This is about what is best for WSU.

The AD should have gotten involved and helped HCGM understand he has not YET EARNED the deciding say in this. I fully believe his time will come but (if these reports are true) this sounds like HCGM not wanting to take a back seat to Gene. Fully understand this is a basketball scholarship but again, that is where the AD needed to help him understand WSU sports is bigger than just basketball and Coy was probably not going to be at WSU long enough to affect basketball one way or another.

Regardless, Coy is NOT to blame. Even if he decided he didn't want to work hard enough to be successful at both sports the coaches/AD could spin this to be a good thing rather than the pissing match it has turned into. Also there is NO REASON to ever take his books away if this really happened. Unless things have changed, he can write a check to the basketball program 4 months from now and pay for his books and it wouldn't be an NCAA violation.

What a bunch of total BS.

SO, HCGM hasn't earned the right to run and control his REVENUE PRODUCING program the way he sees fit. Get an f'n grip.

Why????? cause he doesn't have a 30-yr record of using people any way he sees fit?

Take your baseball first head out of HCGS backside and see reality!!

Okay maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong point. I said the AD should get involved so it isn't Basketball first or Baseball first, it is WSU first. I said IF what is reported in this link is true it APPEARS that way! How does taking away Coy's scholarship this semester help basketball? So it APPEARS this is being done to punish Coy versus any real value in doing it. That is why I would have preferred the AD get involved and 'spin' this as a positive instead of the way things are looking. If I am wrong please feel free to point out the value rather than just name calling..