I'm telling ya...

[SubGod22]

Clevin is the best PG we've got right now. He has a shooters mentality but is effective at getting us into the offense and creating for others as well. He's also one of the few that can get a shot off by using on ball screens properly.

[t7017s]

Clevin is the best PG we've got right now. He has a shooters mentality but is effective at getting us into the offense and creating for others as well. He's also one of the few that can get a shot off by using on ball screens properly.

What offense? You mean Clevin or Reggie waiting for others to move then chucking up a 3 when nobody does? I guess it works more than it doesn't. But that's not what I call creating for others. And I think most importantly its preventing us from establishing any flow.

[Ricardo del Rio]

If Toure, Clevin, and Reggie can all get hot during a stretch of 4 games in March, we could be dancing this year.

Sometimes, my eyes deceive me.

I am pretty sure I did not read, what I thought I read.

[RoyalShock]

If Toure, Clevin, and Reggie can all get hot during a stretch of 4 games in March, we could be dancing this year.

Sometimes, my eyes deceive me.

I am pretty sure I did not read, what I thought I read.

I understand what DSB is saying, but due to our turnover propensity, we'll either need to play clamp-down defense or get a lot of help from our opponents in terms of poor shooting.

I don't think we can win four consecutive shootouts no matter how good our guards are draining the nets.

[SubGod22]

Clevin is the best PG we've got right now. He has a shooters mentality but is effective at getting us into the offense and creating for others as well. He's also one of the few that can get a shot off by using on ball screens properly.

What offense? You mean Clevin or Reggie waiting for others to move then chucking up a 3 when nobody does? I guess it works more than it doesn't. But that's not what I call creating for others. And I think most importantly its preventing us from establishing any flow.

I believe Clevin leads the team in assists and would have more if others could knock down more shots. He's done a fine job and is ten times better a PG than Reggie who you seem to have lumped him in with.

Reggie has PG issues. Clevin, not so much.

[ShockerGorilla]

[quote="RoyalShock"]

I don't think we can win four consecutive shootouts no matter how good our guards are draining the nets.

Anything is possible. If we put the defensive intensity & rebounding we had at the beginning of the season together with the last few games' shooting, we could beat about anybody, as long as we control the turnovers.

As my signature says.....

:goshocks:

[ShockTalk]

We're in agreement on "what movement?". However, players moving without the ball and setting off-ball pics have little to do with the PG except to make his life a little easier by not having to force passes. If AJ is not going to step up and take a leadership role on this squad - vocal, energy,and scoring - we need our next best threats from the outside in the lineup. This, along with good movement, should open things up, make passing and scoring easier. I know it sounds simple, but it is. Why? Because we're not doing the simple and basic things.

[RoyalShock]

Anything is possible. If we put the defensive intensity & rebounding we had at the beginning of the season together with the last few games' shooting, we could beat about anybody, as long as we control the turnovers.

For one or two games, sure. Four in a row? No.

If I'm not mistaken, no team seeded 7-10 has ever even made it to the championship game, let alone won it.

If we win our first game and are competitive in the 2nd one, I'll be content with the effort.

[t7017s]

Clevin is the best PG we've got right now. He has a shooters mentality but is effective at getting us into the offense and creating for others as well. He's also one of the few that can get a shot off by using on ball screens properly.

What offense? You mean Clevin or Reggie waiting for others to move then chucking up a 3 when nobody does? I guess it works more than it doesn't. But that's not what I call creating for others. And I think most importantly its preventing us from establishing any flow.

I believe Clevin leads the team in assists and would have more if others could knock down more shots. He's done a fine job and is ten times better a PG than Reggie who you seem to have lumped him in with.

Reggie has PG issues. Clevin, not so much.

Your right Clevin is ten times the pg that Reggie is. Reggie is awful at pg. I'm not lumping Reggie in with Clevin in the sense that I mean both are equal at pg. Just that Reggie plays pg behind Clevin and gets minutes at that position. We get the same results for the most part out of both of them... Made 3 pointers while other stand around and watch them take them. Reggie cant pass to his grandmother out there and Clevin is better avoiding turnovers that's for sure.

I just think Toure' could get others involved more and we need that right now. I also think Toure' would be better down the court in transition. I don't mean after a made shot. I mean off a rebound. I think Toure' has better court vision and awareness to get the ball to players down the court before the defense gets back and sets up.

By no means do I think Clevin is a bad pg I just think he would be a more effective sg at the moment. I don't think we are maximizing our strengths and minimizing our weaknesses with our 1-2 currently. Switch them and I think you maximize each players strengths and minimize each players weaknesses.

[pinstripers]

Hannah is not a bad guard. He is a bad point guard......... Stutz would be a better point guard than Reggie.

[ShockTalk]

With the exception of maybe a Larry Bird (not a PG), I don't believe the best PG out there is going to get you very far unless the rest of the team is willing to do their part. How does Murry at PG get the others to move any different than if he's playing SG or SF once the ball is in his hands?

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

Anything is possible. If we put the defensive intensity & rebounding we had at the beginning of the season together with the last few games' shooting, we could beat about anybody, as long as we control the turnovers.

For one or two games, sure. Four in a row? No.

If I'm not mistaken, no team seeded 7-10 has ever even made it to the championship game, let alone won it.

If we win our first game and are competitive in the 2nd one, I'll be content with the effort.

Let me put my homer glasses on before I get ridiculed too much for having an observation.... 8) ...ok...better view in these....

I agree. But many a conference tourney has been won by a team getting hot at the right time. Florida A&M was what, 11-20 a couple years ago and played the #1 seed tight for like 30 mins before losing by less than 20.

As the Valley gets better and deeper, it is bound to happen, and many a team in the Valley, including us, are capable of putting 4 wins together.

While we are off, we are not as far off as many think we are. We've shown we can defend and rebound against a couple of the best teams in the country, and shown we can shoot 45-50% FG and over 40% 3PG. If those somehow, some way, in some universe come together, I'll take us against any team in the Valley.

8)

[Snapshot9]

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[Downtown Shocker Brown]

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[t7017s]

http://blogs.kansas.com/shockwaves/

I like this part...

4th paragraph