Louisville Punishment

[mini-shock]

If the NCAA can't find direct knowledge that the coach knew, then they just hammer the school as "lack of institutional control".

If that's the case then why didn't they?

mini-shock, are you really that stupid? stop equating louisville/wichita state and rick pitinio/gregg marshall at this point in time!

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I equated the way their staff works for the purposes of understanding.

Look closer for more links, this was posted earlier. Scroll through some of three other conversation and you'll see discussion on statue of limitations. https://twitter.com/ericcrawford/sta...12955474604032

Never thought I would be sifting through Twitter comments for accurate details. I found it though. Thanks!

[another shocker]

I equated the way their staff works for the purposes of understanding

still stupid, you nincompoop.

[shocka khan]

I didn't find anything on a serarch related to a "US requirement in legal matters" except for patient care. My point simply is that I think it's lame and misguided. And that "Failure to monitor" seems more appropriate for administrative staff, and not the HC. That's pretty much it.

Think of the HC as a manager and the AC's as individual contributors.

Just like where you work, the HC (manager) delegates responsibilities to the AC's (individual contributors) and monitors their activities and results.

Except in this case, where, apparently, a HC who is a known micro-manager, did not 'know' his assistants were hiring prostitutes to 'entertain' recruits.

If you've ever worked for a micro manager, ask yourself if they ever did NOT know exactly what you were doing, even up to the second.

[wufan]

If that's the case then why didn't they?

Because...Louisville.

[mini-shock]

Because...Louisville.

Fair enough. Louisville enough to tab the HC with failure to monitor and vacate wins, but not Louisville enough to go institutional control and not allow them to compete this year.

[Kung Wu]

Rick P could have had no idea, or knew and didn't take care of it. Where is the AD's failure to monitor

In theory HCRP should have been advising, mentoring and managing his assistants. And the AD should have been making sure that HCRP is properly managing his employees. And the university president should have been making sure that the AD is managing his employees.

When an employee commits an egregious act of idiocy, it is a strong indication that his manager was not properly mentoring, advising or managing him.

The AD would be expected to have some system in place to make sure that all the assistants for all the programs are being actively advised and managed. The president is responsie for making sure that the AD has a review process in place to make sure that all the coaches have a mentoring program in place.

The NCAA doesn't need a _law_ to be broken in order to find fault. They only need to believe that an _NCAA rule_ has been broken, after being investigated by the standards that the member institution agreed to when they join the NCAA.

[Kel Varnsen]

You mean like JH4P? No?

Please find me the post where JH4P has personally insulted people or incessantly cursed at them.

[Shoxcity]

The NCAA didn't take away Jerry Tarkanian's title or Larry Brown's title at Kansas.

They are going to let Louisville off.

[ShockingButTrue]

Please find me the post where JH4P has personally insulted people or incessantly cursed at them.

:bball_spin: Hahahahah.....whoohahahahaha you a funny guy :bball_spin:

[mattdalt]

The NCAA didn't take away Jerry Tarkanian's title or Larry Brown's title at Kansas.

They are going to let Louisville off.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/1988/n..._hits_ku_hard/ For the KU part, they were punished for violations that occurred 2 years before the title. At least that's what the NCAA believed
LOL


I think the UNLV sanctions, following their championship year in 1990, was for the recruitment of LLoyd (?) Daniels. He was recruited after the championship year.

[ShockdaWorld]

Please find me the post where JH4P has personally insulted people or incessantly cursed at them.

JH4P has admittedly made me feel like an idiot a few times, simply based on the amount of research he's willing to do that I'm not, but he has never actually directly insulted me, and has actually been quite helpful when I had statistical questions, although none of us were ever able to figure out what it was statistically that caused KU (and maybe the XII in general) to regularly underperform their seed at tourney time.

[Shoxcity]

We know Tark was one of the dirtiest out there. I'm sure we could find something on him before the championship season.

[pinstripers]

Who was dirtier, Tark, Cal, or Larry Brown?

[shockmonster]

We know Tark was one of the dirtiest out there. I'm sure we could find something on him before the championship season.

Why do you pile on Tarkanian 27 years after ward? There have a lot of high profile programs who had extremely shady reputations who never were punished. The problem with the NCAA is that they have historically hard on low profile programs while UCLA, Kentucky, etc. never were punished for their excessive cheating.

[Aargh]

The NCAA "violation" I liked the most (that's sarcasm - by the way) was the running back at USC. An agent who was a USC booster provided his parents a $500,000 house near the USC campus so they could be close to their son and easily get to his games.

The NCAA got so livid about that that they declared the guy ineligible. He was no longer allowed to play at USC. Of course, they did that AFTER he had seclared for the NFL draft, been drafted, and signed his NFL contract. As I recall USC got put on probation, which is an absolute joke with the NCAA and "elite" programs. KU had an institutional control situation occur while they were already on probation for an institutional control violation. Evidently the NCAA decided that since they were already on probation, that was enough of a penalty.