Lynn Non-controversy

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

I think it's also important to recognize, that while Lynn didn't do what she was supposed it, the reporter also didn't doo what she was supposed to when she was more concerned about a fan, than the game that she was using her media credentials to cover.

You mean it is possible that both Lynn and the reporter acted like fools?

Shocking!

(Neither excuses the other)

[shoxlax]

I think it's also important to recognize, that while Lynn didn't do what she was supposed it, the reporter also didn't doo what she was supposed to when she was more concerned about a fan, than the game that she was using her media credentials to cover.

Welcome to the microscope that is UK basketball. What is the term for hillbilly paparazzi?

[Stickboy46]

You mean it is possible that both Lynn and the reporter acted like fools?

Shocking!

(Neither excuses the other)

Your last statement is correct. Lynn owes the team an apology, so does that reporter. One of those will probably Halen. I don't think the second will.

[bighouse]

Guess I can cross Kentucky off the list of schools i would be worried about 3G leaving for.

[shockerfanmas]

Are we really still talking about this? So Lynn got drunk at a basketball game, said some stuff she shouldn't then got mad when a reporter (or group of reporters) tweeted about it, or whatever the heck they did. Should Lynn be held to a higher standard than most fans since she is the coaches wife? Probably so. I'm not excusing her actions, at all. I have been to some Shocker games, and it seems this is par for the course with her. As others that were actually there yesterday have said, she was drinking, and the alcohol causes her to get out of control. Fine, simple solution to that is to stop drinking. I have no problem controlling my emotions after I've had a few drinks. Some people can, some people can't. Whatever. I guarantee Lynn isn't the only one that gets drunk and acts this way, yet she's being singled out because of who she is. This certainly doesn't excuse the POS reporter who initially started all this. Or any other reporters who think it is a major story. Hell, I haven't even seen anything on ESPN.com about it, and I trust them a lot more than I trust this other news sites.

I'm of the mindset of letting it ride. IF it's that big of an issue, then you can be sure it will be addressed by Wichita State administration, because quite frankly, those are the only ones that matter. If they think there's a problem, they'll handle it. Otherwise, F the media that is sticking their noses where it doesn't belong.

BTW, on the subject of Maggie, who by peoples accounts was quite embarrassed by the whole incident (and I probably would be too if it was my mom making a fool of herself, but whatever), does anybody know how long before she graduates high school? I'm betting that with all the disrespect Wichita State has gotten over the last few seasons, HCGM may just be buying his time until Maggie graduates hs so that they can pack up and leave to bigger pastures. I hope I'm wrong, but at this point, I wouldn't blame him, and it would be a damn shame.

[Eric]

I'm afraid it may not take until next year. I've been places in my life where a new start and new scenery were extremely attractive.

[shoxlax]

Here would be my apology:

I am sorry I was what was probably considered in most circles to be out of line. My frustration with the NCAA, the selection committee and the entire process boiled over and affected me as both our programs #1 fan and as a surrogate parent to these kids who pour their heart and soul into this program and this community. The kids are not getting the immediate recognition they deserve because of my conduct and that is on me. I will not ever apologize for my feelings about this inequitable system, but will when I own behavior not becoming of the university or this program.

That should end it period. Move on.

[shockerfanmas]

Here would be my apology:

I am sorry I was what was probably considered in most circles to be out of line. My frustration with the NCAA, the selection committee and the entire process boiled over and affected me as both our programs #1 fan and as a surrogate parent to these kids who pour their heart and soul into this program and this community. The kids are not getting the immediate recognition they deserve because of my conduct and that is on me. I will not ever apologize for my feelings about this inequitable system, but will when I own behavior not becoming of the university or this program.

That should end it period. Move on.

I would accept your apology shoxlax. That covers all the bases. The ineptitude of the NCAA would be commented on in a delicate way, but points would get across. Sounds good to me.

[SHOXAAC]

Look, I'm open minded on this. I don't drink, and I can't imagine anyone has ever heard me curse at a basketball game. But I just see this as a non-issue. Someone persuade me that this is alarming.

Here's where I am: I just don't see the impact. She was wearing Brown's jersey. Do you think he's embarrassed to be associated with her? Do you think recruits are saying "I don't want to go play somewhere where the coach's wife is the type of fan that can get carried away?" Are there donors that are seriously considering reducing giving by a dime because of what she says at games?

I've sat two feet from Lynn at games before. I think it's pretty well known she yells at refs. I've heard her swear. She's a passionate fan, and she shows her passion in a way that I don't (but in a way that huge numbers of fans do). That's just my perspective. I get that lots of people are saying she crossed a line, but tell me why it's bad. What's the ultimate bad thing that comes of this?

Why is it bad? You need pictures drawn for you? Ok, she is arguably the most public significant other in Wichita, so act in public appropriately. I have no problem with her losing her hair extensions over blown calls in the moment as they happen, but don't lose your sh(i)t 15 minutes after the game apparently spouting to open air. Good grief, have restraint about over drinking and letting it alter your usually classy behavior. Act like you were raised to know better. I like the sh(i)t out of Lynn, but my standards say own this one Lynn and let's move on in the very near future.

[Kel Varnsen]

Not really going at either side here, but it is amusing what sports does to people. It makes us (myself included) crazy and makes people do things and defend things they otherwise would find out-of-line. Like KU fans saying "well, Jackson/Vick/Graham are just kids, they do stupid things...at least it wasn't a felony!" or us saying "don't apologize for anything, Lynn!", it would make for quite an interesting psychology study.

[jdshock]

Why is it bad? You need pictures drawn for you?

Yeah, "pretend" like I'm real dumb.

Ok, she is arguably the most public significant other in Wichita, so act in public appropriately. I have no problem with her losing her hair extensions over blown calls in the moment as they happen, but don't lose your sh(i)t 15 minutes after the game apparently spouting to open air. Good grief, have restraint about over drinking and letting it alter your usually classy behavior. Act like you were raised to know better. I like the sh(i)t out of Lynn, but my standards say own this one Lynn and let's move on in the very near future.

Wait, none of that explains why it's bad. You're just saying it's bad, but you're not telling me why I'm supposed to think it's bad. What is the impact of her behavior? Donations? Recruiting? Sanctions? Something else?

[Veritas]

I'm sure I said a lot worse while watching the game in my living room ( the hook move against Morris as an example).
Luckily I don't have "gotcha" journalists monitoring my every move and taking pictures. I love the passion of Mrs. Marshall. She didn't hurt anyone. She didn't cause property damage. She was emotionally involved in the game and results. Nothing more... and I'm sure in the future she'll learn from it and know when to tone it down. She's Shocker family, and I'm damn proud of both of them.

[Shock Top]

I'm traveling internationally, so I can't see what's going o with with this whole "situation", but his sounds like something that will be forgotten about in a week.

People have pretty short attention spans.

[shockerfanmas]

Yeah, "pretend" like I'm real dumb.



Wait, none of that explains why it's bad. You're just saying it's bad, but you're not telling me why I'm supposed to think it's bad. What is the impact of her behavior? Donations? Recruiting? Sanctions? Something else?

I will try to give you something that will help you out. Other than being embarrassing, it's not really bad in the public eye. In fact, it's probably not even going to hurt with donations or sanctions. It could, I repeat, could hurt the recruiting. After all, if I'm a recruit, I'm probably not going to want to go to a school where the coaches wife outshadows the players and gets more media time than me. OK, probably not likely to happen, but it is a possibility.

The bigger possibility that I can see, that is more likely to happen and that others have mentioned, is future jobs for HCGM. If and when he decides he wants to go elsewhere (which I hope is never), he might have a harder time because of the perception of his wife. Schools may pass on him because "we don't want your wife bringing a negative light to our school." Again, probably not likely to happen, but those are possibilities. Does that kind of answer what you were really trying to ask?

[BOBB]

Here would be my apology:

I am sorry I was what was probably considered in most circles to be out of line. My frustration with the NCAA, the selection committee and the entire process boiled over and affected me as both our programs #1 fan and as a surrogate parent to these kids who pour their heart and soul into this program and this community. The kids are not getting the immediate recognition they deserve because of my conduct and that is on me. I will not ever apologize for my feelings about this inequitable system, but will when I own behavior not becoming of the university or this program.

That should end it period. Move on.

This type of qualified apology would only add fuel to the fire. "I acted poorly and I am sorry and it won't happen again" would be better.