WSU vs Evansville Game Thread

[SHOCKvalue]

A floor general is a leader in the court. Define what"leader on the court" is.

I'm confused. It appears you already answered the latter sentence, with the former sentence.

[shockmonster]

The problem for CF is he number of terrible shots we take in the first few seconds of a shot clock. Every bad shot we take by not working through the offense hurts.

We went through five minute stretches (twice) without taking a good shot. In the second stretch we got lucky and made a high percentage, but it is odd that this team hasn't identified the issue amongst themselves.

I saw Fred take early outside shots. He made some and missed some. I don't disagree that you don't want a lot of early 3 point shots that you miss. Conner made a couple of them yesterday so they aren't always bad.

[shockmonster]

I'm confused. It appears you already answered the latter sentence, with the former sentence.

. No I gave an undefined example. We weren't nearly as good with Ron as our point guard. Floor generals are difficult to put into a definition. Leadership is too. If you want another Fred, we may never get another Fred. Fred was a winner. Joe Ragland wasn't a Fred but we won. Armstead wasn't a Fred and we won most of the time. But we lost to Evansville that year too and we lost other games we shouldn't have. Floor ageneraks and leaders are something we can't know from sitting in our seats. All we know is if we win or lose. The way you want to define these words is only by the human eye and I repeat. We may never see Fred again. We can win with our present PGs.

[WuDrWu]

Daishon's hot shooting out of the gate this season was probably a bit of a curse for his development IMO - his JUCO and high school stats indicate he is not a deadeye from the perimeter, and his bread and butter is dribble penetration. Then he came out and hit almost 50% of his bombs during the first half of the season, and he's sort of settled into depending on that working consistently even though his percentages have been reverting to the mean. He needs to go for a little more Armstead and a little less Ragland to play to his strengths.

His A:TO ratio has also been steeply declining despite his relative lack of risk taking on offense (it's now less than 2:1), which is concerning. Hoping he snaps out of his funk soon.

Really an outstanding assessment.

[SHOCKvalue]

. No I gave an undefined example. We weren't nearly as good with Ron as our point guard. Floor generals are difficult to put into a definition. Leadership is too. If you want another Fred, we may never get another Fred. Fred was a winner. Joe Ragland wasn't a Fred but we won. Armstead wasn't a Fred and we won most of the time. But we lost to Evansville that year too and we lost other games we shouldn't have. Floor ageneraks and leaders are something we can't know from sitting in our seats. All we know is if we win or lose. The way you want to define these words is only by the human eye and I repeat. We may never see Fred again. We can win with our present PGs.

I think we can say...

"Fred was awesome, and we might not ever have another Fred."

and...

"The Shockers are still in search of a floor general point guard."

...without contradicting ourselves.

[jdshock]

Fred looked as cool with 25 seconds on the shot clock as he did with 2.5 seconds on it. I don't know if that is a part of being a floor general or if it's just being a go to guy.

What I do know is that Landry seems to get the same "I really hate losing and I'm going to do whatever it takes to prevent it" look that Fred got. It makes me think Landry is going to be the go to guy, sooner rather than later.

[WuDrWu]

Reaves is never going to get the call...or any call

Could be wrong, but I remember Freddy having the same issue as a Fr. I'm going out on a limb and calling it right now....Reaves will have as good or better rest of his Fr year than Fred had.

[Kel Varnsen]

Could be wrong, but I remember Freddy having the same issue as a Fr. I'm going out on a limb and calling it right now....Reaves will have as good or better rest of his Fr year than Fred had.

I like this. I have a feeling after last night he'll see more minutes.

[WheatShock]

Just for fun.

Fred as a freshman.
16.2 MIN, 4.2 PTS, .386 FG%, .408 3FG%, .725 FT%, 1.8 REB, 2.28 AST, 1.18 TO, .9 STL

Austin so far
13.5 MIN, 5.4 PTS, .470 FG%, .535 3FG% .739 FT%, 2.4 REB, 1.5 AST, .6 TO, .5 STL

Two very different players but the numbers tend to favor Austin a little.

[ShockdaWorld]

Just gotta ask if anyone else saw the sign that was right next to the Shockers bench that said "Frankamp has 6 grandchildren". That was a classic. So glad to see the opposing fans giving him a hard time about that instead of something else. Was funny as hell too.

[Cdizzle]

'Stay-Ahead' Fred. Good times.

[Topshock]

Fred looked as cool with 25 seconds on the shot clock as he did with 2.5 seconds on it. I don't know if that is a part of being a floor general or if it's just being a go to guy.

What I do know is that Landry seems to get the same "I really hate losing and I'm going to do whatever it takes to prevent it" look that Fred got. It makes me think Landry is going to be the go to guy, sooner rather than later.

Fred was outstanding at running the team and brought many intangibles. Going from memory here, but I don't thing he ever made a game winning or tying shot after the one he made against Gonzaga. Point being he was not a player we ever went to at the end of games when we needed a basket, at least not with much success.

[jdshock]

Fred was outstanding at running the team and brought many intangibles. Going from memory here, but I don't thing he ever made a game winning or tying shot after the one he made against Gonzaga. Point being he was not a player we ever went to at the end of games when we needed a basket, at least not with much success.

In his career here, there weren't that many opportunities for game-winning shots. He missed the Kentucky one at the buzzer, but I can't think of any others off the top of my head.

We went to him constantly at the end of the shot clock, and he constantly delivered.

[Cdizzle]

One of the best attributes of Ron and Fred was that they laid it on the line the first 39 minutes every game, so the last minute mattered so rarely.

[proshox]

I saw Fred take early outside shots. He made some and missed some. I don't disagree that you don't want a lot of early 3 point shots that you miss. Conner made a couple of them yesterday so they aren't always bad.

I was not talking about CF shooting the ball... other guys continually take bad shots which results in less opportunities for good shots from our better shooters.