2016-17 National Rankings

[1972Shocker]

I'll tell you how old 29 is, the last time I saw it was in 1968.

Considering that you can still remember that then you are in good shape.

[ShockerFever]

UNI, ISUr, MSU, and LUC will all be dangerous teams in conference. A lot of business to take care of.

A couple of those schools have solid wins but sustainability and consistency are the issues. The only school that hasn't had those issues is WSU. That's why until proven otherwise, it's clearly WSU's to lose.

[60Shock]

you old bastard

LMAO

[ShockingButTrue]

When I was 29 our starting lineup would have been Xavier McDaniel, Aubrey Sherrod, Zarko Durisic, Gus Santos and Karl Papke. But, of course, I'm still young.

X and Sherrod saw a post season championship once. Even pro talent is no guarantee of post-season success in the Valley. Still the same today.

It'd be the chicken fans who think our conference is on par with the Trans-America, or Ohio Valley, et.al.

[wusphlash]

X and Sherrod saw a post season championship once. Even pro talent is no guarantee of post-season success in the Valley. Still the same today.

You have to take into consideration that we were on probation their first two years. Both of those teams would have made noise in the tourney if allowed to play.

[Shocker Mama]

I suppose it depends on your perspective. Sounds young to me.

I have shoes older than that.

[Gary Gorilla]

Idk if 29 is young, but I have a feeling we'll win it! When have we ever had a team so athletic and play 10 players?! I know the only competition we'll have will be uni, but I have faith in the shox

2011 was similar, maybe not quite as athletic but more experienced, went about 10ish deep and the starting lineup fluctuated during the season.

[another shocker]

2011 was similar, maybe not quite as athletic but more experienced, went about 10ish deep and the starting lineup fluctuated during the season.

nit champions? they had size and length. they could have done something good in the ncaa tournament that year. they had the shot-blocker that any team would have to respect: gabe blair. just like the final four team had the shot-blocker that any team would have to respect: ehimen orupke.

wichita state needs a big time shot-blocker if they want to achieve succes like that again.

[ShockingButTrue]

You have to take into consideration that we were on probation their first two years. Both of those teams would have made noise in the tourney if allowed to play.

The last eligible year, prior to probation, WSU had 2 top 10 1st round draft picks and couldn't win the Valley post season. Dickie V covered the game babeee.

It was tough to win even then. I guess I'm one of the few who gives the Valley some credit. Bill Self does too...

[shockmonster]

nit champions? they had size and length. they could have done something good in the ncaa tournament that year. they had the shot-blocker that any team would have to respect: gabe blair. just like the final four team had the shot-blocker that any team would have to respect: ehimen orupke.

wichita state needs a big time shot-blocker if they want to achieve succes like that again.

This team will take care of business better than that team during the year imo. I remember that team losing a home conference home game at Koch Arena to a sub 500 SIU team. We should never lose a home game to a below average MVC team and this team won't. Otherwise there are some similarities between the two teams. Both are deep teams. We don't have a shooter as good as Ragland but we have more good shooters. Landry is very similar to Toure except he is a better perimeter shooter. This team is younger and imo overall has more athletic players. Willis is longer than Gabe was and has a very high ceiling. He will be a very good shot blocker, as is Shaq, and Duff will continue to grow as a shot blocker too.

[ShockingButTrue]

This team will take care of business better than that team during the year imo. I remember that team losing a home conference home game at Koch Arena to a sub 500 SIU team. We should never lose a home game to a below average MVC team and this team won't. Otherwise there are some similarities between the two teams. Both are deep teams. We don't have a shooter as good as Ragland but we have more good shooters. Landry is very similar to Toure except he is a better perimeter shooter. This team is younger and imo overall has more athletic players. Willis is longer than Gabe was and has a very high ceiling. He will be a very good shot blocker, as is Shaq, and Duff will continue to grow as a shot blocker too.

I wouldn't take the Valley for granted. Not trying to be argumentative, but the year we went to final four we got swept by Evansville ( :stupid: ), and lost to a 8-14 at the time Saluki squad.

[shockmonster]

I wouldn't take the Valley for granted. Not trying to be argumentative, but the year we went to final four we got swept by Evansville ( :stupid: ), and lost to a 8-14 at the time Saluki squad.

We were not ready to play against Evansville in the Final 4 year and we were not ready to play SIU during the other year. Although it may happen again, we have not lost focus for an epic fail in the past 4 years. There are games we could lose this year, and we may not know who those good teams are right now. However, we should not lose a HOME game to a sub 500 lower division MVC team. Games on the road, maybe but not at home.
By the way, Evansville was not a sub 500 MVC team. I think they were In the Top 3-4 teams so they would not apply to my point.

[molly jabali]

We were not ready to play against Evansville in the Final 4 year and we were not ready to play SIU during the other year. Although it may happen again, we have not lost focus for an epic fail in the past 4 years. There are games we could lose this year, and we may not know who those good teams are right now. However, we should not lose a HOME game to a sub 500 lower division MVC team. Games on the road, maybe but not at home.
By the way, Evansville was not a sub 500 MVC team. I think they were In the Top 3-4 teams so they would not apply to my point.

I hate to say it, but your first line begs the argument that that is SOMEONE'S job...

[shockmonster]

I hate to say it, but your first line begs the argument that that is SOMEONE'S job...

Read my final sentence. It disqualified my first one. :). The SIU game was on the road. My point is that we won't lose a home game to a bad team. One other thing, With Baker we wouldn't have lost several of those games we did that year. We weren't tough enough. Our culture is better now. We lost to Mich. st. Because we weren't tough enough. I may have egg on my face but I don't see us losing to a sub par lower division MVC team at home.

[molly jabali]

Read my final sentence. It disqualified my first one. :)

I agree...EXCEPT that on any team, 'not being ready' is never really justified...main topic on Mike and Mike today...I guess there is always an exception, like a death or internal trauma/drama, but should be rare.