2016-17 National Rankings

[jdshock]

Here is your post #116.



Somebody suggested six, you said, worse than that, seven. It is what it is.

This whole conversation is just mind numbing. Six regular season losses were suggested. JH4P included a loss in St Louis (since, if we don't lose in stl, the conversation would be moot because we'd be going to the tournament). That's seven total losses that he is analyzing. He has not predicted anything other than what would happen in that scenario.

I'm only chiming in because it's clear that you aren't going to believe JH4P no matter what he says.

[WstateU]

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[shockmonster]

Ragland career 51.5% FG and 41.8% from three.
Junior 44.3% FG and 31.3% from three
Senior 56.8% FG and 50.4% from three

McDuffie career 44.9% FG and 33.7% from three
Fresh 42.6% FG and 31.5% from three
Soph 51.5% FG and 42.1% from three

Smith career and junior 41.5% FG and 47.6% from three

Reaves carreer and Freshman 56.7% and 52.6% from three

Markis fresh/soph years compare not unfavorably with Rags junior/senior years, while Smith (so far) > Rags junior year and Reaves (so far) > Rags any year.

Maybe we should give these young guys an opportunity to show us that they can shoot, Rags even needed time.

Fair enough. I was going by my memory. I think that this team will be really good and one of our better all around shooting teams and next year should be better.

I was really talking about our team right now and not giving thought to how they will develop. You didn't say how big a sample size for Rags as opposed to our current players. As you can see from Rags Senior year, he was a great shooter from 3 (perimeter shooting is what I was really meaning although I wasn't clear) and a great free throw shooter which you didn't list. I think that you are nit picking a little but your points are well taken.

[ShockerFever]

24 of the Top 25 teams in KenPom are ranked in the Top 25.

Guess which one isn't?

#19

Wichita State

Go figure.

[wufan]

Fair enough. I was going by my memory. I think that this team will be really good and one of our better all around shooting teams and next year should be better.

I was really talking about our team right now and not giving thought to how they will develop. You didn't say how big a sample size for Rags as opposed to our current players. As you can see from Rags Senior year, he was a great shooter from 3 (perimeter shooting is what I was really meaning although I wasn't clear) and a great free throw shooter which you didn't list. I think that you are nit picking a little but your points are well taken.

I also thought this when you mentioned we had no one as good as Rags, but your point remains...we have a really good team of shooters, and of AR were to maintain and get enough shots to be eligible, his performance would be EPIC from distance.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Somebody suggested six, you said, worse than that, seven. It is what it is.

What part of 6+1=7 do you not understand?

That would make us about 10-2 with two very respectable losses... I would think 14-4 in the MVC could keep you inside the top 50 and at least in consideration for an at-large.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

And I am sorry that I did not type out "I am commenting immediately after Dave about his 7 loss scenario and am predicting 7 losses would equal NIT but I'm not predicting 7 losses to actually happen I'm just saying what would happen if 7 losses did happen" so that there would have been no misunderstanding. Then again, you would think my repeated follow-ups of "I wasn't predicting 7, just saying what would happen IF that were to be the case" would have also since clarified things. But some people just refuse to listen/read for comprehension purposes and it is just futile.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Assuming you watch the games, how many losses do you think WSU will have going into Selection Sunday?

Again, I'm assuming you watch the games because you never post about them, or comment on them. It just seems like you watch the box scores and nothing else.

I was in my personal season ticket seat last night watching that beatdown.
You yell at me almost every time I post about a game, then you yell at me that I don't post about them often enough.
If I had to guess (not sure why you want my opinion so badly) I would guess 5 losses on Selection Sunday and an at-large berth if needed.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

This whole conversation is just mind numbing. Six regular season losses were suggested. JH4P included a loss in St Louis (since, if we don't lose in stl, the conversation would be moot because we'd be going to the tournament). That's seven total losses that he is analyzing. He has not predicted anything other than what would happen in that scenario.

I'm only chiming in because it's clear that you aren't going to believe JH4P no matter what he says.

Thank you jd. For those who still haven't caught on, it is actually impossible to receive an at-large bid without a loss in St. Louis. Crazy, I know, but true.

[im4wsu]

What part of 6+1=7 do you not understand?

From your post #113

Unfortunately, I think things are more bleak than that. I think this is going to turn out to be a really weak SOS year for the Shox. 10-2, then 14-4, then a loss in St. Louis (7 losses total), and WSU is headed to the NIT.

How can you, with a straight face, deny that the words "I think" do not represent your projection, thoughts, ideas. What part odf "I" or "think" do you need to consult a dictionary for?

And why do you always attack anyone who questions you?

[ShockdaWorld]

Context is everything.

[WSUwatcher]

No, I projected what would happen *if* there were 7 losses. If 7, then NIT.

As I've noted elsewhere, the last time WSU was the regular season Valley champ and sat at 27-6 after a semifinal loss in St. Louis (which is exactly what happened in 2011-12), they were an NCAA #5 seed. That same 27-6 is a possible record at that point this year as well, and not even an unlikely one based on some of the projections out there (KenPom, for example).

Not all losses are created equal, of course (although this year's team hasn't shown any inclination to have bad ones so far), and not all Valley seasons are created equal either. But it's still hard for me to believe that if six losses could produce that result five years ago, things would be too dramatically different now, or that seven losses would lead inexorably to an NIT bid.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

How can you, with a straight face, deny that the words "I think" do not represent your projection, thoughts, ideas. What part odf "I" or "think" do you need to consult a dictionary for?

Dave didn't predict 7 losses. He predicted what would happen IF 7 losses occured. (at-large contender)
I didn't predict 7 losses. I predicted what would happen IF 7 losses occured. (surely NIT)
I said "I think" a 7 loss scenario is more bleak than what Dave thinks a 7 loss scenario would look like.

And why do you always attack anyone who questions you?

If you think I'm "attacking" you, it is because I keep telling you EXACTLY what I was trying to communicate, and you keep refusing to believe me. I have no problem with someone who initially misunderstands something I said, but I've literally told you over and over what I meant in an effort to clarify, and you just refuse to accept it for some strange reason.

[ShockerFever]

I was in my personal season ticket seat last night watching that beatdown.
You yell at me almost every time I post about a game, then you yell at me that I don't post about them often enough.
If I had to guess (not sure why you want my opinion so badly) I would guess 5 losses on Selection Sunday and an at-large berth if needed.

lol at "yell".

I really don't see you ever commenting about games unless you're calling a poster out for a KU reference or something.

Your statistical ramblings are annoying yes, but that isn't game talk so I'm confused by your confusion.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

As I've noted elsewhere, the last time WSU was the regular season Valley champ and sat at 27-6 after a semifinal loss in St. Louis (which is exactly what happened in 2011-12), they were an NCAA #5 seed. That same 27-6 is a possible record at that point this year as well, and not even an unlikely one based on some of the projections out there (KenPom, for example).

Not all losses are created equal, of course (although this year's team hasn't shown any inclination to have bad ones so far), and not all Valley seasons are created equal either. But it's still hard for me to believe that if six losses could produce that result five years ago, things would be too dramatically different now, or that seven losses would lead inexorably to an NIT bid.

And as I noted elsewhere, your stats are wrong (they were 27-5 in 2012), and you fail to account for the much weaker schedule this year. 27-5 this year would be much less impressive than 27-5 was in 2012.

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