2016-17 National Rankings

[OregonShocker]

Wait, what?! What about those losses aren't "quality losses?"

[MoValley John]

FWIW, the Shockers received two votes in the coaches poll.

[Dave Stalwart]

If we don't lose again in non-conference, which would include getting wins over OU, OSU and Colorado State, we will be back on the edge of a ranking. That would make us about 10-2 with two very respectable losses. It could be enough to finish December ranked #25. After that, you've gotta go 16-2 or better in this year's MVC to stay ranked. I would think 14-4 in the MVC could keep you inside the top 50 and at least in consideration for an at-large.

But if we go 1-2 against OU, OSU and CSU, we are pretty much gonna have to win Arch Madness to make the dance and I bet it would take an undefeated MVC run to get back to #25 by the end of February. I don't see that with this team. I think we may need to plan to take a year off of sniffing the rankings. You can still make noise from the #40 spot, though, and this team has the talent.

[CBB_Fan]

At some point you have to wonder whether we'd be better off as an independent than as a member of the Valley. We pretty much have to go undefeated through non-conference play to feel safe, and it is entirely because the MVC is not a good conference, and looks unlikely to improve. The MVC is going to consistently give us 2-3 games against the Top 50 and 14-18 games against 100+ RPI teams. Every game we play against Drake level opponents actively hurts our chances to make the NCAA tournament. In a conference we have an auto-bid, but we have never got a bid we wouldn't have already gotten.

This is an NCAA quality team trapped in a CIT level conference. It is not fun to win this conference 16-2 every year and still struggle to make the NCAA tournament. It isn't exciting to be a top 10-25 team year-in and year-out and get stuck in outside the rankings all year because the Valley struggles to put up even 2 other competent teams. And it flat out sucks to be a play-in team better than half the at-large teams.

The sad reality is that the MVC is ****, and will be ****. The only question is whether or not we want to keep getting our hands dirty. So far, it hasn't truly cost us, but the instant we go to the NIT because the MVC added 40-50 spots to our RPI we need to consider packing our bags.

[Mr. Obvious]

At some point you have to wonder whether we'd be better off as an independent than as a member of the Valley. We pretty much have to go undefeated through non-conference play to feel safe, and it is entirely because the MVC is not a good conference, and looks unlikely to improve. The MVC is going to consistently give us 2-3 games against the Top 50 and 14-18 games against 100+ RPI teams. Every game we play against Drake level opponents actively hurts our chances to make the NCAA tournament. In a conference we have an auto-bid, but we have never got a bid we wouldn't have already gotten.



This is an NCAA quality team trapped in a CIT level conference. It is not fun to win this conference 16-2 every year and still struggle to make the NCAA tournament. It isn't exciting to be a top 10-25 team year-in and year-out and get stuck in outside the rankings all year because the Valley struggles to put up even 2 other competent teams. And it flat out sucks to be a play-in team better than half the at-large teams.

The sad reality is that the MVC is ****, and will be ****. The only question is whether or not we want to keep getting our hands dirty. So far, it hasn't truly cost us, but the instant we go to the NIT because the MVC added 40-50 spots to our RPI we need to consider packing our bags.

Think its tough scheduling now, try being an independent. Currently their are 0 independent teams I know of. Plan on having the majority of you're games on the road. The program would go into the tank.

[AndShock]

Think its tough scheduling now, try being an independent. Currently their are 0 independent teams I know of. Plan on having the majority of you're games on the road. The program would go into the tank.

H/H with UNI and we can use all of our extra NCAA tournament money to buy the other 8 MVC teams.

[WuShock Reaper]

12/05/16

AP Top 25 Rankings - #35 (5 points)

Coaches Top 25 Rankings - #39 (5 points)

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

If we don't lose again in non-conference, which would include getting wins over OU, OSU and Colorado State, we will be back on the edge of a ranking. That would make us about 10-2 with two very respectable losses. It could be enough to finish December ranked #25. After that, you've gotta go 16-2 or better in this year's MVC to stay ranked. I would think 14-4 in the MVC could keep you inside the top 50 and at least in consideration for an at-large.

But if we go 1-2 against OU, OSU and CSU, we are pretty much gonna have to win Arch Madness to make the dance and I bet it would take an undefeated MVC run to get back to #25 by the end of February. I don't see that with this team. I think we may need to plan to take a year off of sniffing the rankings. You can still make noise from the #40 spot, though, and this team has the talent.

Unfortunately, I think things are more bleak than that. I think this is going to turn out to be a really weak SOS year for the Shox. 10-2, then 14-4, then a loss in St. Louis (7 losses total), and WSU is headed to the NIT.

[haslametrics]

Shockers win this tourney and Haslametrics will clearly have the Shockers ranked in the Top 10 maybe Top 5!

Just an FYI.......my ratings and rankings have been offically released at Haslametrics.com. The season is still very young and the sample set is still quite small, so expect a bit of erraticism over the next month as new comparison data rolls in and the dust settles.

Shockers were my #23 team in the country as of this morning. They are currently 44th in offensive efficiency and 15th in defensive efficiency.

[shockmonster]

Just an FYI.......my ratings and rankings have been offically released at Haslametrics.com. The season is still very young and the sample set is still quite small, so expect a bit of erraticism over the next month as new comparison data rolls in and the dust settles.

Shockers were my #23 team in the country as of this morning. They are currently 44th in offensive efficiency and 15th in defensive efficiency.

We still haven't reached our ceiling imo. We are making mistakes that we won't make later on, our defense will get better and I think our Turnovers will improve too. We are pretty good in the full court but we can improve our half court defense and offense with more consistency in help defense, shooting and execution.

[Shocker1388]

Unfortunately, I think things are more bleak than that. I think this is going to turn out to be a really weak SOS year for the Shox. 10-2, then 14-4, then a loss in St. Louis (7 losses total), and WSU is headed to the NIT.

Someone needs to get their head out their ass ^^^

[ShockingButTrue]

Someone needs to get their head out their ass ^^^

Ah, let him gloat a little: It's the first time in 5 years that the chickens might be better than the Shocks. Remember, this is the same person that said UNI was a bad loss last year.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Unfortunately, I think things are more bleak than that. I think this is going to turn out to be a really weak SOS year for the Shox. 10-2, then 14-4, then a loss in St. Louis (7 losses total), and WSU is headed to the NIT.

Someone needs to get their head out their ass ^^^

RPIforecast.com predicts WSU would have an RPI of 49 if they finish the regular season 24-6. You think WSU could take that resume, then lose a game in St. Louis, drop outside the RPI top 50, and still get an at-large invite?

[Stickboy46]

Ah, let him gloat a little: It's the first time in 5 years that the chickens might be better than the Shocks. Remember, this is the same person that said UNI was a bad loss last year.

UNI WAS a bad loss last year when it came to seeding.

[ShockingButTrue]

UNI WAS a bad loss last year when it came to seeding.

Yep. He agreed with the pollsters. Nothing shocking there.