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I hate the Bluejays as much as anyone, but to say that Dougie McD is not one of the top 50 players in the Valley is absurd. He is one of the best college players of all time. His ability to score in so many ways was very fun to watch for the 3 years he was a player in the league. If CU does not jump ship to the Big East (something we wish we were able to do) he would have had a chance to be the National POY as a player in the Valley.
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One of the best scorers of all time, no doubt. Top 50 Valley player, okay fine. One of the best college players of all time? No way, no how, nuh uh, not happening. Great players...at least of the all-time best ilk...should be more well-rounded players. Dougie scored in bunches, but he did not defend or some of the other things worth a lick that great players should do. I distinctly remember...maybe his sophomore year when he was still considered to be an All-American...that his dad subbed him offense-for-defense at the ends of close games. I get when it happens for big men to get subbed out for free throws...though there are big men who can handle free throw shooting...but it is pathetic when a great player can't be relied upon to play defense at crucial times in games.Originally posted by Wild Heiny View Post
Dougie had 14 blocks in his college career. Fred had 13. Think about that one for a second.78-65Comment
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Saying "best college players of all time" is tough to rate. He was a great player, is he in the top 100 college players of all time?...not to me.Originally posted by Wild Heiny View PostComment
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Not even close, IMO he probably does not rank in the Top 500 of all time.Originally posted by Wild Heiny View PostComment
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"You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"Comment
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I am more about all-around games than anyone. But you are under-valuing 3000 points by more than I can fathom.Originally posted by Shocker1976 View PostComment
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Doogie ranks 5th in all-time Div 1 scorers (Wikipedia) but is 19th in ppg out of the same 25 players. The list does not include people like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar whose average of 26.4 ppg would garner 7th place when ordered by ppg. How many others are missing from the "top 25 list" by total points, I wonder? Wayman Tisdale at 25.6 would rank 9th.Originally posted by Cdizzle View Post
Just using the list from sports reference, there are 34 players with ppg average greater than Doug's. http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/
Dave Stallworth averaged 24.2 ppg at WSU compared to Doug's 21.7 Not even in the same category in my books.
Cannot guess how many would be on the list if 1940s-1993 were included."I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
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A physician called into a radio show and said:
"That's the definition of a stool sample."Comment
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Obviously one of the top 50 players in Valley history.Comment
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Right. Agree to agree he wasn't a Top 10 player. Outside the Top 500 (which is the specific point I was countering) is laughable.Originally posted by im4wsu View PostComment
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It's really difficult and as subjective as it gets when you have to rank someone that is probably in the top 1 percent of pure shooters of all time, but also ranks in the bottom 1 percent of power forward defenders of all time.Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!Comment
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This was a fun read.
"It's no secret that Doug McDermott has trouble on the defensive end. His lack of athleticism and foot speed make him a horrible mismatch for any speedy wing when it comes to Doug trying to stay in front of them."
"The problem is he is a really bad rebounder, much due to his lack of strength and awareness. McDermott averaged 3.8 rebounds per 36 minutes, one of the lowest season averages on the Bulls roster (it was a hair below Derrick Rose)... McDermott will get eaten alive in the post against a big man"
"McDermott simply cannot afford to play at a strength disadvantage on defense because he is already giving up so much in terms of athleticism. At 6-foot-8, he has decent height. But he has a very short wingspan, a low vertical and lacks speed. His lack of physical tools are why he’s already the worst player in NBA history at accruing blocks and steals."Comment
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Where are you getting all this stuff? After all his "problems" pages the Big XII is the last team I find?"Long wave the Yellow and the Black..."Comment
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Off season. Slow part of the off season. The only time of the year SN will have an argument about daddies boy go on so long. 3 years after he played in the valley.
Bring back football?Comment
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All the stuff about Dougie M. is speculation on the part of Shockernetters, the blog hasn't gotten to the Missouri Valley yet.Originally posted by Husker4Shockers View PostComment
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I am engaged in a bet with a fellow Shocker supporter regards establishing a list of the Top 100 College Basketball Players of All Time, so this topic is of interest to me. We started this bet due to a publication of the Top 100 College Basketball Players http://www.americasbestonline.net/in...llplayers.html that did not include a single Shocker. Doogie did not make their list either.Originally posted by Cdizzle View Post
I continue to work on my list and currently have 185 players under consideration with Doogie not under consideration. Perhaps 500 is too high which is why I used the qualifier "probably". IMO qualifying as one of the greatest college players of all time requires more than just shooting the basketball for your daddy's team.Comment
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