Rafters

[ShockCrazy]

Another list to not be ignored is that Ron was a Wooden All American last year for finishing in the top 10 of the Wooden voting. And it's not just a couple of people picking this list. It's 26 people putting together a 20 player list, which then is voted on by 1000 writers and casters.

[1972Shocker]

If Donald Trump becomes POTUS we can leave it up to him:

[Cdizzle]

Fred is "roughly exactly" ahead of 3 of the 5 who are in the rafters. What's that point again?

You heard it here first. We actually need to be unretiring jerseys.

[Topshock]

We have only 3 "Consensus All-Americans" which is made up of a point ranking of honorary lists selected by the NCAA. Those selected lists change over time.

Below are WSU players that made any of those honorary lists.

Stallworth - 1964 Consensus 1st Team, 1st Team AP, USBWA, NABC, UPI. 1965 Consensus 2nd Team, 1st Team USBWA, 2nd AP, NABC, UPI

McDaniel - 1985 Consensus 1st Team, 1st Team AP, USBWA, 2nd Team UPI, 3rd Team NABC

Early - 2014 Consensus 2nd Team, 2nd Team USBWA, NABC, 3rd Team AP

VanVleet - 2014 3rd Team NABC, TSN. 2015 AP HM

Carr - 1983 3rd Team AP. 1982 AP HM

Littleton - 1954 AP HM. 1955 AP HM

Levingston - 1982 AP HM

Miller - 2006 AP HM

Baker - 2015 AP HM

Carr - 1982 2nd team AA Basketball Times 1983 1st team AA Sporting news
Livingston -- 1982 1st team AA Playboy

[Cdizzle]

Carr - 1982 2nd team AA Basketball Times 1983 1st team AA Sporting news

Nice. Want to double-check all of the players and put together the real list? I would be very interested in seeing it. Seems like 12 different sources have 9 different reports.

[Topshock]

Nice. Want to double-check all of the players and put together the real list? I would be very interested in seeing it. Seems like 12 different sources have 9 different reports.

I know information is getting hard to get. This is one source; http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.co...162.pdf?id=585

[wusphlash]

If we retire them all do we go to alpha-numerics?

[Cdizzle]

I know information is getting hard to get. This is one source; http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.co...162.pdf?id=585

Which reminds me. While we're at it. The time has come. Ross McBurney!!!!

[Topshock]

Which reminds me. While we're at it. The time has come. Ross McBurney!!!!

Funny!

[Cdizzle]

Funny!

Not really joking.

[1972Shocker]

Now if the purpose is to recognize the most historically significant and impactful players/coaches in program history Fred and Ron no doubt deserve a presence and the group of players currently occupying the rafters also are deserving of that recognition as, of course, do Coach Miller and will Coach Marshall when he is added.

[shockmonster]

There has been some criticism regarding Ron's offense. He was more inconsistent this year. His 4 yr. 3 point career stats were 36, 38, 38, and 35 percent. What I think we can all agree on is that Ron was one of our best all around players. He led the team in rebounding, and blocked shots as a guard. And Ron is probably one of the best Shockers as a defender. Ron and Telele are two of the best (probably the best) defensive players I've ever seen. Ron is smart, has no weaknesses, and this is what will make him a pro for a long spell and one of the Top 10 Shockers ever.

[12eagle]

Now if the purpose is to recognize the most historically significant and impactful players/coaches in program history Fred and Ron no doubt deserve a presence and the group of players currently occupying the rafters also are deserving of that recognition as, of course, do Coach Miller and will Coach Marshall when he is added.

This is true there is no clear cut guidelines, which is why there is a debate in the first place however I think some people on here would just like to retire every ones number I prefer that it be a very exclusive club made up of guys who were consensus all Americans and not Honorable mention All Americans. I agree the Fred and Ron a probably top 10 shockers of all time but to date being in the Top all time hasn't ensured that a number gets retired.

[12eagle]

You heard it here first. We actually need to be unretiring jerseys.

The point is Van Vleet asisst totals which you cited as a reason he should have his jersey retired are the exact same as a player whose jersey is not retired so not sure how you can put in one with out the other.

[Kung Wu]

This is true there is no clear cut guidelines, which is why there is a debate in the first place however I think some people on here would just like to retire every ones number I prefer that it be a very exclusive club made up of guys who were consensus all Americans and not Honorable mention All Americans. I agree the Fred and Ron a probably top 10 shockers of all time but to date being in the Top all time hasn't ensured that a number gets retired.

Watch that slippery slope argument, you might take a spill! Nobody is arguing that "every ones number" should be retired. This is about Ron and Fred.

We've been fortunate to witness this generation's elite studs and what they were able to accomplish, and they're gonna go down in fame.

And if in a few years, another couple ballers comes along and tops their performances ... well there's room up in the rafters for more jerseys yet. But that's a VERY high standard to meet.