MVC Tourney - WSU versus LUC Game Thread

[kochHead]

That and he was getting double teamed at least for a while, when he did get the ball.

Exactly. You just reminded me about that great pass he made out of a double team to Evan.

[asiseeit]

Shaq has been unselfish, sees the court well, and is a good passer. He is doing everything pretty well
except being able to play more than 15-20 minutes a game. AG has been a good complimentary
fill in and I don't understand why some rag on RN. He gave us five good minutes today when he
WAS needed. If he ever is able to hit that first three and get the monkey off his back he could have
a lot of upside we haven't seen yet. Hard to get going when you get one attempt every other game.
Does remind me of JW a lot.

[WSUwatcher]

Shaq had zero shots....zero. That has to change.

Yes, I'll agree with you there -- Shaq needs to get shot opportunities and then take them. But how often have we ever seen a game where Shaq made a major contribution that wasn't points or rebounds? He's becoming more of a player all the time. Also, just two (!) assists from LeFred. He needs to get back to being himself, and his light workload thanks to the cheap fouls today will ensure that he's well rested. Once he's back delivering the mail, Shaq will carry it; I have no doubt.

One other interesting stat I noticed in the ESPN box score: it shows 27 minutes for Kelly, 13 for Wessel. Perhaps a transition is occurring there, too.

[_kai_]

We talking about Shaq being a good passer?

[Shocker Mama]

Can someone who was watching on TV tell me about the flagrant they called on Grady? They did one quick replay at the arena and I wasn't sure he even committed a common foul.

[Rosewood]

Shaq had zero shots....zero. That has to change.

I can't remember a time when he had the ball in his hands and I wanted him to shoot. His zero shots isn't on him. I also love this team because even though the ball wasn't finding him, he played his ass off and helped Baker win the game.

As for why the ball didn't flow through Shaq -- some of that was on LUC. A lot was on Fred. This was a really bad game for Fred and I think a lot of it had to do with the refs getting under his skin. He knows they ****ed him on the fouls. He has to be more mature about it and just go play... and not try to force it. He tried to put the team on his back. I'll give him credit though -- in the end, he let Baker and Shaq and everyone else pull that one out. He didn't in Jersey.

Oh, and if you think this means I don't love Fred, you can suck it.

[Rosewood]

Yes, I'll agree with you there -- Shaq needs to get shot opportunities and then take them. But how often have we ever seen a game where Shaq made a major contribution that wasn't points or rebounds? He's becoming more of a player all the time. Also, just two (!) assists from LeFred. He needs to get back to being himself, and his light workload thanks to the cheap fouls today will ensure that he's well rested. Once he's back delivering the mail, Shaq will carry it; I have no doubt.

One other interesting stat I noticed in the ESPN box score: it shows 27 minutes for Kelly, 13 for Wessel. Perhaps a transition is occurring there, too.

Yes that is happening but some of that is foul trouble.

[WstateU]

Can someone who was watching on TV tell me about the flagrant they called on Grady? They did one quick replay at the arena and I wasn't sure he even committed a common foul.

Grady did his best ‘Grayson Allen’ impersonation; after the scrum, he reached out and grabbed the foot of the Loyola player… it was the right call. Nothing vicious, Grady just made a boneheaded play.

[Shocker Mama]

Grady did his best ‘Grayson Allen’ impersonation; after the scrum, he reached out and grabbed the foot of the Loyola player… it was the right call. Nothing vicious, Grady just made a boneheaded play.

Thanks -- no wonder I didn't see it. Was watching for something above the shoulder.

[ShockerEngineer]

Thanks -- no wonder I didn't see it. Was watching for something above the shoulder.

Me too.. I was confused by that foul, because all I saw was the Loyola guy hooking his arm around Anton's and not letting go.

[1972Shocker]

My daughter and 8-year grandson are attending their 1st ever Arch Madness. I believe they were in Section 115 in either row J or K.

Just got done talking with my grandson. He was pretty pumped with the Shocks comeback but he told me the Shock's defense was so bad that one of the Shocker fans behind him used the 'F' word twice.

I said, well the Shocks were playing pretty poorly until the last 6 minutes but that fan probably should of shown a bit more self-control.

[WstateU]

Saint Louis was saved a couple hundred thousand dollars they had counted on

I'd guess 7 digits and probably more. Any estimates on the number of Shocker fans today? From TV, it looked like one of our best turnouts ever.

[Shockers5150]

Anywhere I can watch a replay of the game?

[ShockTalk]

I can't remember a time when he had the ball in his hands and I wanted him to shoot. His zero shots isn't on him. I also love this team because even though the ball wasn't finding him, he played his ass off and helped Baker win the game.

As for why the ball didn't flow through Shaq -- some of that was on LUC. A lot was on Fred. This was a really bad game for Fred and I think a lot of it had to do with the refs getting under his skin. He knows they ****ed him on the fouls. He has to be more mature about it and just go play... and not try to force it. He tried to put the team on his back. I'll give him credit though -- in the end, he let Baker and Shaq and everyone else pull that one out. He didn't in Jersey.

Oh, and if you think this means I don't love Fred, you can suck it.

FVV, CF, and Bake (thank God) shot 10-26 for .385, the number of shots more my point here. The rest of the team was 10-19 / .526, and more to the point, Morris, Grady, McDuffie, and Kelly were 5-7. 7 shots is way too few more that group.

By the way, I thought Brown had a nice game today, too.

[Shockers5150]

Fred won't play like that again.