If WSU Shoots 40%+ From 3PT The Remainder of the Season, the Team Will...

[ShockerFever]

I also think one of the best indicators whether you have a title contender is Kenpom's Offensive/Defensive efficiency statistics. If you aren't top 15 at least in both, you likely are not a title contender. Currently we are not.

Does KenPom take into account injuries? Because if not, our numbers will never be Top 15 because of the horrible start.

[Cdizzle]

Does KenPom take into account injuries? Because if not, our numbers will never be Top 15 because of the horrible start.

I believe he does, actually. But it clearly doesn't completely cover it.

[WSUwatcher]

Can the team's KenPom efficiency ratings since LeFred returned be isolated from those prior? And if so, where would those rank? I ask because I'm not a KenPom subscriber and am not entirely familiar with the details of his calculations. I see on the free front page that WSU is currently 23rd overall, 41st on offense, and 22nd on defense. But where would WSU stand if their only games counted were those since Orlando (which reportedly is also what the tournament selection committee will be focusing on)?

I suspect higher, but how much -- can we tell somehow?

[ShockerFever]

Can the team's KenPom efficiency ratings since LeFred returned be isolated from those prior? And if so, where would those rank? I ask because I'm not a KenPom subscriber and am not entirely familiar with the details of his calculations. I see on the free front page that WSU is currently 23rd overall, 41st on offense, and 22nd on defense. But where would WSU stand if their only games counted were those since Orlando (which reportedly is also what the tournament selection committee will be focusing on)?

I suspect higher, but how much -- can we tell somehow?

lol, moron

[WillieJeffJeffries]

I've seen WSU look like a title contender in recent years. This year's team is good, but it just feels like they are missing something. I think the 3 headed monster at the 5 spot was better than WSU's bigs this year. I also think Cle was a difference maker being such a versatile player who could take over a game. Cotton was a shutdown defender. You can never have too many of those. This year's Freshman and Sophomore classes are good, and have potential to be great, but I don't currently feel like they are ready to fully fill the voids from the last few graduating classes. This year's team relies on Baker and VanVleet too heavily. I look back at that Kentucky game 2 years ago and think... man... Fred, Ron, Tekele, Cle, and Darius... with Kadeem, Chadrack, and Wessel on the bench... THAT was a national title contender. Goodness I wish Fred's buzzer beater would have dropped!

The 10th best team in the country can win a title, but the odds aren't great. 17 of the last 25 national champions were 1 seeds. 20 of the last 25 were 1s or 2s. WSU is in the range where they could get hot and do it, but I don't feel myself expecting it to happen the way I did in 2014 at 35-0.

Well said, but if teams like KU, OU, and Nova are really top 5 teams then WSU has as good as shot as any to get hot and make the FF.

[WillieJeffJeffries]

Does 58% work for ya?

Let's wait until the entire game is played out before we open up our mouth.

Back to the team who can't hit sh*t.

Why do they get so rattled? There's 9 minutes left in the first half. Stop panicking.

Can't even make a ******* free throw.

It looks weird to see a 3 go in.

I agree we should all wait until entire game is played out.....:yahoo:

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Additionally, one advantage of the 7-10 seed is that the road opens up wide if you can knock off the 1 or the 2. Get to the Final 4 and anything can happen.

I simply don’t understand this thought process.

Assuming no upsets, anyone who isn’t themselves a 1 or 2 seed has to beat both the 1 and the 2 in their region to reach the Final 4. The only difference is which round they will face them. 3-6 seeds can reach the Sweet 16 without facing the 1 or the 2. 7-10 seeds don’t get that luxury. If you want the best chance to reach the Final Four, delaying playing the 1s and 2s for as long as possible is a good thing, as it increases the chances that they get upset first. Obtaining a better seed is ALWAYS preferable when talking about chances of making a Final Four. ALWAYS.

One side note… seeding is irrelevant to matchups once you reach the Final Four. You play the winners of other brackets that had nothing to do with your own seeding.

[ShockerFever]

I agree we should all wait until entire game is played out.....:yahoo:

How was your timeout?

[pie n eye]

I simply don’t understand this thought process.

Assuming no upsets, anyone who isn’t themselves a 1 or 2 seed has to beat both the 1 and the 2 in their region to reach the Final 4. The only difference is which round they will face them. 3-6 seeds can reach the Sweet 16 without facing the 1 or the 2. 7-10 seeds don’t get that luxury. If you want the best chance to reach the Final Four, delaying playing the 1s and 2s for as long as possible is a good thing, as it increases the chances that they get upset first. Obtaining a better seed is ALWAYS preferable when talking about chances of making a Final Four. ALWAYS.

One side note… seeding is irrelevant to matchups once you reach the Final Four. You play the winners of other brackets that had nothing to do with your own seeding.

Seeding is irrelevant once the ball is tipped.

[Uncle Rico]

Seeding is irrelevant once the ball is tipped.

Tell that to the 16 seeds

[pie n eye]

Tell that to the 16 seeds

Lol true but 16 seeds don't lose because they're 16 seeds. They lose because they're not as good as they team they're playing.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Last night as I was watching air balls and clank balls, I got to thinking about this very thread.

[pie n eye]

Yeah, because the guys are robots who we should expect to perform at or above a certain level every game without fail.

That's why Coach preaches defense, rebounding, and taking care of the ball. You can bring those things 100% of the time but even the best shooters can't come close to that kind of consistency. Those three things keep you in a game even if you can't hit the ocean from a boat.

[WillieJeffJeffries]

How was your timeout?

???, I didnt know i was given one...so i guess it was fine, weather in san diego was great, just got back to ict...if thats what u mean?

[Heinro]

I simply don’t understand this thought process.

Assuming no upsets, anyone who isn’t themselves a 1 or 2 seed has to beat both the 1 and the 2 in their region to reach the Final 4. The only difference is which round they will face them. 3-6 seeds can reach the Sweet 16 without facing the 1 or the 2. 7-10 seeds don’t get that luxury. If you want the best chance to reach the Final Four, delaying playing the 1s and 2s for as long as possible is a good thing, as it increases the chances that they get upset first. Obtaining a better seed is ALWAYS preferable when talking about chances of making a Final Four. ALWAYS.

One side note… seeding is irrelevant to matchups once you reach the Final Four. You play the winners of other brackets that had nothing to do with your own seeding.

Logically I agree with you. Probably a bad statement on my part. However, interesting to note, the last 3 years a 7-10 that has beat the 1 or 2 in their region has made the Final 4: Wichita St., Kentucky and Michigan St. Probably just an anomaly or perhaps the confidence boost is important. Beating the 1 or 2 in your region makes you honestly believe you can beat anyone you play.